I guess my point on this is that as grown man with a child on the way, shouldn't jofer be responsible enough to not need two people to "protect" him from himself? Any time kids are involved, your "partying" days are over. Time to be a grown up.
We all need somebody, man. This guy was still a stranger adjusting to a strange new world. Having his friends around was vital to him. This is a family we're talking about. Nothing less.
@baseball said:
craig44, for the umpteenth time (because perhaps you have a severe case of short term memory loss) I keep bringing up nicotine and specifically alcohol because those substances have been brutal on society and yet they are not only legal, but in the case of alcohol, widely celebrated and bragged about. I don't even know how many bars are in this country, but it's a crap load. Anyone who thinks that cocaine is any more of a mind altering problem than alcohol undoubtedly hasn't tried it. Alcohol is more debilitating and causes way more issues to the person, those close to him or her, and society at large. And yet America has deemed this perfectly fine. THAT is why I bring it up. What specifically about that don't you get?
As for your questions, let's take them one at a time. Ask WHATEVER you'd like and I happily respond.
DIMEMAN, the irony of you mentioning the concept of having an "intelligent conversation has me ROFL.
What I don't understand is your logic on this one. Just because something is "legal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't make it right. It's just like your mother said when you were 6, "just because all of your friends are jumping off a cliff, are you going to?" I don't "celebrate" alcohol, and I don't care if society does. Maybe that is part of why we are not seeing eye to eye on this one.
Here's a question for you to answer: You say people should be allowed to do what they want.
Should people be allowed to ride a motorcycle without a helmet because they want to?
Think about the money that one simple act costs all of us each year in increased health costs and insurance fees. Is that fair to everyone so that some people can feel "cool" and have the wind in their hair?
I enjoy the complexity of this discussion and I'll tell you why: When I was 24 I did jump off of cliffs because my friends did. Really. Of course, there were several feet of snow beneath me on which to land, but still.....it was risky. These weren't just backyard rooftop jumps either. And on one occasion I did get hurt pretty bad. I was reckless, eager and willing to go where the excitement took me. The people with whom I shared those times were just as willing as I was. And we partied good. Make no mistake, when you're 24 and you think you can take on just about any challenge and defeat it, nothing will stand in your way. Bravado blends into recklessness and that's when lines blur. I'm not defending the actions of Fernandez, but he was a young man with a lot of energy and needed ways to expend it. The substantial difference between me and him is that I had no wife or kids to worry about when I was taking my most complicated risks. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone around who didn't love or care for me. The things we do when we lose that sense of balance and logic overcome by determination can cause great harm. I think we could share plenty of stories about how we "dodged bullets". By whatever means they occurred. I think this is at the core of the argument over people's personal habits. The more you dodge those bullets, the more you want to keep doing it.
@travis t said:
I enjoy the complexity of this discussion and I'll tell you why: When I was 24 I did jump off of cliffs because my friends did. Really. Of course, there were several feet of snow beneath me on which to land, but still.....it was risky. These weren't just backyard rooftop jumps either. And on one occasion I did get hurt pretty bad. I was reckless, eager and willing to go where the excitement took me. The people with whom I shared those times were just as willing as I was. And we partied good. Make no mistake, when you're 24 and you think you can take on just about any challenge and defeat it, nothing will stand in your way. Bravado blends into recklessness and that's when lines blur. I'm not defending the actions of Fernandez, but he was a young man with a lot of energy and needed ways to expend it. The substantial difference between me and him is that I had no wife or kids to worry about when I was taking my most complicated risks. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone around who didn't love or care for me. The things we do when we lose that sense of balance and logic overcome by determination can cause great harm. I think we could share plenty of stories about how we "dodged bullets". By whatever means they occurred. I think this is at the core of the argument over people's personal habits. The more you dodge those bullets, the more you want to keep doing it.
Excellent, thoughtful post without all the hyperbole attached to it.
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@baseball said:
Let me also add that it's funny how the older crowd (and I include myself in that being in my early 40s) seems to always want to criticize the actions of young people, after they've all had their fun doing pretty much the same things in one way or another. One thing you can always count on where human beings are concerned is that they are forever hypocritical.
This is true. We desperately want to warn them against harming themselves because we know how to get that done. And there could be much resistance and damage done to relationships created by fear and unknown causes. Sure, I'd put a leash on my kids if I thought it would help. I've been fortunate so far. They've been model citizens. But, I don't expect that of them. I do want them to live, not sell out. They know my story and it's up to them to decide.
@baseball said:
craig44, for the umpteenth time (because perhaps you have a severe case of short term memory loss) I keep bringing up nicotine and specifically alcohol because those substances have been brutal on society and yet they are not only legal, but in the case of alcohol, widely celebrated and bragged about. I don't even know how many bars are in this country, but it's a crap load. Anyone who thinks that cocaine is any more of a mind altering problem than alcohol undoubtedly hasn't tried it. Alcohol is more debilitating and causes way more issues to the person, those close to him or her, and society at large. And yet America has deemed this perfectly fine. THAT is why I bring it up. What specifically about that don't you get?
As for your questions, let's take them one at a time. Ask WHATEVER you'd like and I happily respond.
DIMEMAN, the irony of you mentioning the concept of having an "intelligent conversation has me ROFL.
What I don't understand is your logic on this one. Just because something is "legal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't make it right. It's just like your mother said when you were 6, "just because all of your friends are jumping off a cliff, are you going to?" I don't "celebrate" alcohol, and I don't care if society does. Maybe that is part of why we are not seeing eye to eye on this one.
Here's a question for you to answer: You say people should be allowed to do what they want.
Should people be allowed to ride a motorcycle without a helmet because they want to?
Think about the money that one simple act costs all of us each year in increased health costs and insurance fees. Is that fair to everyone so that some people can feel "cool" and have the wind in their hair?
It’s obvious that you think people should live a pious life and that your definition of an adult partying is eating milk and cookies and reading the Bible. So be it. You and I will never agree because you’d just assume that Prohibition was reenacted. It’s fine that you feel that way. I don’t. People should live the lives they want to. My purpose was never to debate and win YOU over. My purpose was to question the illogical decisions of our country/society at large, especially when we’re talking about our individual liberties here. I have no desire to get you to think the way I do. I’m making LEGITIMATE logical deductions.
Unless one genuinely feels that alcohol is somehow safer than cocaine. If one’s feeling is that that’s true, then it’s a difference of opinions in interpreting the end result, probably because you are judging from a lack of experience. I can’t recall one person of the dozens of people I’ve known who’ve used in my life who thought that alcohol was safer or took a less toll on the user or society.
As for motorcycle helmets, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to go without a helmet, as long as any passenger is required to wear the helmet. As for the costs, you’re obviously not even thinking any of this through and just typing away. Why would healthcare costs go up if a person died (then going to the morgue and end of story) as opposed to getting seriously injured (goes to hospital racking up tons of healthcare costs)???
I don't believe craig is opposed to alcohol , . I realized this only recently when I was sick and under the influence of a half bottle of nyquil and suddenly understood what he wrote. He is either drunk all the time or posts only in that state. Once i was back to normal he ceased to make sense again.
Baseball, as far as the motorcycle helmet thing goes, I think you either don't understand how healthcare works or you haven't thought this through. I am not speaking about riders who die, but those who live with serious injuries.
With a serious head/brain it would not be out of the question to incur a 2-6 month hospital stay. Then very often there could be additional months or years of additional therapy or respite care. You could be looking at a bill of a quarter mil, up to millions. If the rider happens to be insured, after fees and deductibles the insurance co. Will pay up to their cap. Insurance companies don't incur losses, they increase premiums to the insured and all other policy holders. If you ever wondered why your premiums increase every year, here is one reason.
Now, if the rider is NOT insured, the hospital will be forced to eat the cost of treatment until the patient is stable. In this scenario, the hospital looses twice. They loose the initial payment for services rendered, then they loose the potential income that taken bed could have generated by a paying patient. The hospital will not just loose that revenue. Yup, you guessed it, hospital rates and fees just increase to make up the difference.
Now tell me. How is it fair for my pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to be infringed upon by some tough guy who is just too cool to wear a helmet? The same goes for seatbelt laws. Same exact scenario.
That friend, is just one example of why people can't just "do what they want"
@baseball said:
craig44, for the umpteenth time (because perhaps you have a severe case of short term memory loss) I keep bringing up nicotine and specifically alcohol because those substances have been brutal on society and yet they are not only legal, but in the case of alcohol, widely celebrated and bragged about. I don't even know how many bars are in this country, but it's a crap load. Anyone who thinks that cocaine is any more of a mind altering problem than alcohol undoubtedly hasn't tried it. Alcohol is more debilitating and causes way more issues to the person, those close to him or her, and society at large. And yet America has deemed this perfectly fine. THAT is why I bring it up. What specifically about that don't you get?
As for your questions, let's take them one at a time. Ask WHATEVER you'd like and I happily respond.
DIMEMAN, the irony of you mentioning the concept of having an "intelligent conversation has me ROFL.
What I don't understand is your logic on this one. Just because something is "legal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't make it right. It's just like your mother said when you were 6, "just because all of your friends are jumping off a cliff, are you going to?" I don't "celebrate" alcohol, and I don't care if society does. Maybe that is part of why we are not seeing eye to eye on this one.
Here's a question for you to answer: You say people should be allowed to do what they want.
Should people be allowed to ride a motorcycle without a helmet because they want to?
Think about the money that one simple act costs all of us each year in increased health costs and insurance fees. Is that fair to everyone so that some people can feel "cool" and have the wind in their hair?
It’s obvious that you think people should live a pious life and that your definition of an adult partying is eating milk and cookies and reading the Bible. So be it. You and I will never agree because you’d just assume that Prohibition was reenacted. It’s fine that you feel that way. I don’t. People should live the lives they want to. My purpose was never to debate and win YOU over. My purpose was to question the illogical decisions of our country/society at large, especially when we’re talking about our individual liberties here. I have no desire to get you to think the way I do. I’m making LEGITIMATE logical deductions.
Unless one genuinely feels that alcohol is somehow safer than cocaine. If one’s feeling is that that’s true, then it’s a difference of opinions in interpreting the end result, probably because you are judging from a lack of experience. I can’t recall one person of the dozens of people I’ve known who’ve used in my life who thought that alcohol was safer or took a less toll on the user or society.
As for motorcycle helmets, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to go without a helmet, as long as any passenger is required to wear the helmet. As for the costs, you’re obviously not even thinking any of this through and just typing away. Why would healthcare costs go up if a person died (then going to the morgue and end of story) as opposed to getting seriously injured (goes to hospital racking up tons of healthcare costs)???
I don't believe craig is opposed to alcohol , . I realized this only recently when I was sick and under the influence of a half bottle of nyquil and suddenly understood what he wrote. He is either drunk all the time or posts only in that state. Once i was back to normal he ceased to make sense again.
I couldn't care less if you agree or disagree with me, but what has you so bewildered? You like to speak in generalities. Ask me a specific question if you are confused
@baseball said:
bronco2078, it's all too clear that you have an understanding of this guy that I seriously lack.
craig44, if healthcare costs are your concern, than jump on the universal healthcare bandwagon. But even much more obvious, jump on the unrelenting traffic enforcement idea that I posited above. That would do substantial wonders for accidents (and lowering insurance), including those involving motorcyclists, whether they be wearing helmets or playing daredevil.
Do you disagree about the inherent costs to society involved when people ride without a helmet? Is it "fair" for you and I to have to pick up that cost? You are deflecting.
@baseball said:
craig44, for the umpteenth time (because perhaps you have a severe case of short term memory loss) I keep bringing up nicotine and specifically alcohol because those substances have been brutal on society and yet they are not only legal, but in the case of alcohol, widely celebrated and bragged about. I don't even know how many bars are in this country, but it's a crap load. Anyone who thinks that cocaine is any more of a mind altering problem than alcohol undoubtedly hasn't tried it. Alcohol is more debilitating and causes way more issues to the person, those close to him or her, and society at large. And yet America has deemed this perfectly fine. THAT is why I bring it up. What specifically about that don't you get?
As for your questions, let's take them one at a time. Ask WHATEVER you'd like and I happily respond.
DIMEMAN, the irony of you mentioning the concept of having an "intelligent conversation has me ROFL.
What I don't understand is your logic on this one. Just because something is "legal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't make it right. It's just like your mother said when you were 6, "just because all of your friends are jumping off a cliff, are you going to?" I don't "celebrate" alcohol, and I don't care if society does. Maybe that is part of why we are not seeing eye to eye on this one.
Here's a question for you to answer: You say people should be allowed to do what they want.
Should people be allowed to ride a motorcycle without a helmet because they want to?
Think about the money that one simple act costs all of us each year in increased health costs and insurance fees. Is that fair to everyone so that some people can feel "cool" and have the wind in their hair?
It’s obvious that you think people should live a pious life and that your definition of an adult partying is eating milk and cookies and reading the Bible. So be it. You and I will never agree because you’d just assume that Prohibition was reenacted. It’s fine that you feel that way. I don’t. People should live the lives they want to. My purpose was never to debate and win YOU over. My purpose was to question the illogical decisions of our country/society at large, especially when we’re talking about our individual liberties here. I have no desire to get you to think the way I do. I’m making LEGITIMATE logical deductions.
Unless one genuinely feels that alcohol is somehow safer than cocaine. If one’s feeling is that that’s true, then it’s a difference of opinions in interpreting the end result, probably because you are judging from a lack of experience. I can’t recall one person of the dozens of people I’ve known who’ve used in my life who thought that alcohol was safer or took a less toll on the user or society.
As for motorcycle helmets, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to go without a helmet, as long as any passenger is required to wear the helmet. As for the costs, you’re obviously not even thinking any of this through and just typing away. Why would healthcare costs go up if a person died (then going to the morgue and end of story) as opposed to getting seriously injured (goes to hospital racking up tons of healthcare costs)???
I don't believe craig is opposed to alcohol , . I realized this only recently when I was sick and under the influence of a half bottle of nyquil and suddenly understood what he wrote. He is either drunk all the time or posts only in that state. Once i was back to normal he ceased to make sense again.
I couldn't care less if you agree or disagree with me, but what has you so bewildered? You like to speak in generalities. Ask me a specific question if you are confused
Whoa!!! Easy, big fella. You're gonna give yourself a heart attack. And apart from the fact that I would genuinely miss your absence, my health insurance premiums will apparently skyrocket.
Sorry, I was actually addressing bronco with that post. And I love spirited discussion. I think it actually lowers my blood pressure
@craig44 said:
If you want to talk healthcare in general, that's fine, but address the motorcycle helmet issue first.
I beginning to think that you are actually drunk. I thought bronco2078 was just kidding.
What in the world are you talking about? YOU deflected the helmet question with a general healthcare answer. I would genuinely like to know how you feel about the topic and why it is socially "fair" for those people to make such a negative impact on others financially? It seems that my liberty has been infringed because some tough guy needs to look cool
@craig44 said:
If you want to talk healthcare in general, that's fine, but address the motorcycle helmet issue first.
I beginning to think that you are actually drunk. I thought bronco2078 was just kidding.
What in the world are you talking about? YOU deflected the helmet question with a general healthcare answer. I would genuinely like to know how you feel about the topic and why it is socially "fair" for those people to make such a negative impact on others financially? It seems that my liberty has been infringed because some tough guy needs to look cool
What in the world are YOU talking about? I've already stated I'm fine with letting the rider choose and I've already spent more time on a topic I couldn't care less about. For my part, I'm not convinced that many of those accidents wouldn't by chance result in no serious head injuries and the ones that might, which may cost a lot, would be offset by deaths that would have been spared wearing a helmet resulting in zero healthcare costs whatsoever. To think that motorcycle accidents belong in any discuss of the healthcare cost problem clearly shows a lack of understanding as to the healthcare system woes in this country.
No lack of understanding. Things like helmet laws are just one card in the giant house. If all the small individual cards could be dealt with, it would go a long way to lowering healthcare costs. If we would allow private insurance companies to cross state borders and create natural competition, insurance rates would decrease. It is a two headed animal. Healthcare costs need to be lowered as well as insurance premiums and deductibles.
@craig44 said:
What do you propose to decrease healthcare costs with much bigger cards?
That is such a HUGE questions with and endless array of answers. Why in the world would I even bother spending time addressing that in this thread since I don't feel any desire at the moment, and in either case, it is completely off topic.
You are great at dodging and weaving. A natural politician.
Since the topic of health care costs came up I thought I might interject. Obesity is the second leading cause of preventable death in the US. #1 of course is tobacco.
Personally I am of the opinion that corporations that profit off both obesity causing food/drink and tobacco companies do so with intent and manufacture their products with chemicals that cause addiction. There is plenty of proof out there to back it up so feel free to do your own research. I would be more than happy if laws were enacted to prevent these addiction forming chemicals/toxins from being added. Realistically we live in an extreme version of Capitalism which monetizes capital gain over logic and reason. With such a system in play it will not allow that sort of law to be enacted, however, I think the next best option for this society is to tax those who are the biggest burden on the system the most. In terms of health care it means that those that are obese should carry a much higher health premium then those who eat healthy and visit the gym frequently. Those who smoke, drink, and do drugs should be allowed to do so but also pay into the system more than those who do not. What these all have in common is that they are preventable factors that lead to catastrophic health care problems to which cost is past on to those that do not take part is such behavior.
Similarly, you could toss this ideology onto child birth rates. The key seems to be that the ones that put the least burden on society seem to be penalized, meanwhile, the ones who create the largest burden on society seem to be rewarded.
This guy has it figured out. I like the way you think.
But he thinks drugs should be legal which is the opposite of what you have been saying. 3 pages in and you have done a 180 by page 6 you will be back to your original position.
Bronco, you add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Ever. You are just that guy shouting one liners from the sidelines. Your shtick is tired and lame. I am assuming he means states where there is legal drug use, i.e.. marijuana
Official Report is in. Jofer was operating the boat, high on cocaine and drunk. Speed at impact estimated at 66 mph.
Definitely not a mistake, but gross negligence. I think if our nation had MUCH harsher oui consequences, maybe, this could become less frequent. Personally, I think a one strike and your out policy would be a good starting point for oui. Get caught once, no more driving for you. Ever.
Doubt that a one strike policy would have stopped this tragedy.
"No more driving" is only as good as enforcement. In the southwest, millions of drivers have never received a license and care little about who they run over. Hit and Runs are rampant.
Oh, I think the one strike thing should only be a starting point. There are many other efforts which could be put into place. Maybe an attempted murder charge for those caught oui. Often, the fear of serious repercussions can serve as a deterrent.
myself, not being a resident of the southwest, are the millions driving without a licence people who are not legal citizens of this country or is there another factor in play there?
Oui is a serious crime that should have serious repercussions
They are not legal residents. Cali issues drivers licenses to those who have jumped the fence. Other states do not.
I have unfortunately known many problem drinkers. All logic goes out the window when they are drunk. License or no license, they will often continue risking the lives of others.
Well, isn't that special, about the licenses. My level of sympathy for those who drive under the influence is very, very low. Maybe if they got five years in the can first offense with no early parole or suspended sentences some people may start to think a little more clearly.
@craig44 said:
Official Report is in. Jofer was operating the boat, high on cocaine and drunk. Speed at impact estimated at 66 mph.
Definitely not a mistake, but gross negligence. I think if our nation had MUCH harsher oui consequences, maybe, this could become less frequent. Personally, I think a one strike and your out policy would be a good starting point for oui. Get caught once, no more driving for you. Ever.
I wonder if the stadium tribute honors will remain in place.
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Good question. While perhaps oui is a level below murder 1, it is an egregious offense. If I was part of the Marlins brass, I would remove any tribute to Jofer. Great pitcher, not someone to look up to or pay tribute to.
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I guess my point on this is that as grown man with a child on the way, shouldn't jofer be responsible enough to not need two people to "protect" him from himself? Any time kids are involved, your "partying" days are over. Time to be a grown up.
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We all need somebody, man. This guy was still a stranger adjusting to a strange new world. Having his friends around was vital to him. This is a family we're talking about. Nothing less.
I don't know. I just see no excuse for what he did. Hadn't he been living in the states for years? At least 6 I believe. Inexcusable.
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Insulated. And treated like a treasure by all who knew him. They place you on a pedestal and when you fall you are broken.
graig44 - you can't have an intelligent conversation with someone who actually believes that cocaine is OK and not a problem.
Just let it go and he (baseball) will go away.
Well, your whole reasoning concept on this has me ROFL!
What I don't understand is your logic on this one. Just because something is "legal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't make it right. It's just like your mother said when you were 6, "just because all of your friends are jumping off a cliff, are you going to?" I don't "celebrate" alcohol, and I don't care if society does. Maybe that is part of why we are not seeing eye to eye on this one.
Here's a question for you to answer: You say people should be allowed to do what they want.
Should people be allowed to ride a motorcycle without a helmet because they want to?
Think about the money that one simple act costs all of us each year in increased health costs and insurance fees. Is that fair to everyone so that some people can feel "cool" and have the wind in their hair?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I enjoy the complexity of this discussion and I'll tell you why: When I was 24 I did jump off of cliffs because my friends did. Really. Of course, there were several feet of snow beneath me on which to land, but still.....it was risky. These weren't just backyard rooftop jumps either. And on one occasion I did get hurt pretty bad. I was reckless, eager and willing to go where the excitement took me. The people with whom I shared those times were just as willing as I was. And we partied good. Make no mistake, when you're 24 and you think you can take on just about any challenge and defeat it, nothing will stand in your way. Bravado blends into recklessness and that's when lines blur. I'm not defending the actions of Fernandez, but he was a young man with a lot of energy and needed ways to expend it. The substantial difference between me and him is that I had no wife or kids to worry about when I was taking my most complicated risks. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone around who didn't love or care for me. The things we do when we lose that sense of balance and logic overcome by determination can cause great harm. I think we could share plenty of stories about how we "dodged bullets". By whatever means they occurred. I think this is at the core of the argument over people's personal habits. The more you dodge those bullets, the more you want to keep doing it.
Excellent, thoughtful post without all the hyperbole attached to it.
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This is true. We desperately want to warn them against harming themselves because we know how to get that done. And there could be much resistance and damage done to relationships created by fear and unknown causes. Sure, I'd put a leash on my kids if I thought it would help. I've been fortunate so far. They've been model citizens. But, I don't expect that of them. I do want them to live, not sell out. They know my story and it's up to them to decide.
I don't believe craig is opposed to alcohol , . I realized this only recently when I was sick and under the influence of a half bottle of nyquil and suddenly understood what he wrote. He is either drunk all the time or posts only in that state. Once i was back to normal he ceased to make sense again.
Baseball, as far as the motorcycle helmet thing goes, I think you either don't understand how healthcare works or you haven't thought this through. I am not speaking about riders who die, but those who live with serious injuries.
With a serious head/brain it would not be out of the question to incur a 2-6 month hospital stay. Then very often there could be additional months or years of additional therapy or respite care. You could be looking at a bill of a quarter mil, up to millions. If the rider happens to be insured, after fees and deductibles the insurance co. Will pay up to their cap. Insurance companies don't incur losses, they increase premiums to the insured and all other policy holders. If you ever wondered why your premiums increase every year, here is one reason.
Now, if the rider is NOT insured, the hospital will be forced to eat the cost of treatment until the patient is stable. In this scenario, the hospital looses twice. They loose the initial payment for services rendered, then they loose the potential income that taken bed could have generated by a paying patient. The hospital will not just loose that revenue. Yup, you guessed it, hospital rates and fees just increase to make up the difference.
Now tell me. How is it fair for my pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to be infringed upon by some tough guy who is just too cool to wear a helmet? The same goes for seatbelt laws. Same exact scenario.
That friend, is just one example of why people can't just "do what they want"
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I also used to slalom through traffic on roller skates during off season just to stay in practice. I'm sorry if I offended you.
I couldn't care less if you agree or disagree with me, but what has you so bewildered? You like to speak in generalities. Ask me a specific question if you are confused
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Do you disagree about the inherent costs to society involved when people ride without a helmet? Is it "fair" for you and I to have to pick up that cost? You are deflecting.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If you want to talk healthcare in general, that's fine, but address the motorcycle helmet issue first.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Sorry, I was actually addressing bronco with that post. And I love spirited discussion. I think it actually lowers my blood pressure
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What in the world are you talking about? YOU deflected the helmet question with a general healthcare answer. I would genuinely like to know how you feel about the topic and why it is socially "fair" for those people to make such a negative impact on others financially? It seems that my liberty has been infringed because some tough guy needs to look cool
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Somebody take craig's car keys , call him a taxi
Lowest common denominator. When you have nothing to add, insult. Real mature.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
No lack of understanding. Things like helmet laws are just one card in the giant house. If all the small individual cards could be dealt with, it would go a long way to lowering healthcare costs. If we would allow private insurance companies to cross state borders and create natural competition, insurance rates would decrease. It is a two headed animal. Healthcare costs need to be lowered as well as insurance premiums and deductibles.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What do you propose to decrease healthcare costs with much bigger cards?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You are great at dodging and weaving. A natural politician.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Since the topic of health care costs came up I thought I might interject. Obesity is the second leading cause of preventable death in the US. #1 of course is tobacco.
Personally I am of the opinion that corporations that profit off both obesity causing food/drink and tobacco companies do so with intent and manufacture their products with chemicals that cause addiction. There is plenty of proof out there to back it up so feel free to do your own research. I would be more than happy if laws were enacted to prevent these addiction forming chemicals/toxins from being added. Realistically we live in an extreme version of Capitalism which monetizes capital gain over logic and reason. With such a system in play it will not allow that sort of law to be enacted, however, I think the next best option for this society is to tax those who are the biggest burden on the system the most. In terms of health care it means that those that are obese should carry a much higher health premium then those who eat healthy and visit the gym frequently. Those who smoke, drink, and do drugs should be allowed to do so but also pay into the system more than those who do not. What these all have in common is that they are preventable factors that lead to catastrophic health care problems to which cost is past on to those that do not take part is such behavior.
Similarly, you could toss this ideology onto child birth rates. The key seems to be that the ones that put the least burden on society seem to be penalized, meanwhile, the ones who create the largest burden on society seem to be rewarded.
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This guy has it figured out. I like the way you think.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
But he thinks drugs should be legal which is the opposite of what you have been saying. 3 pages in and you have done a 180 by page 6 you will be back to your original position.
Bronco, you add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Ever. You are just that guy shouting one liners from the sidelines. Your shtick is tired and lame. I am assuming he means states where there is legal drug use, i.e.. marijuana
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Official Report is in. Jofer was operating the boat, high on cocaine and drunk. Speed at impact estimated at 66 mph.
Definitely not a mistake, but gross negligence. I think if our nation had MUCH harsher oui consequences, maybe, this could become less frequent. Personally, I think a one strike and your out policy would be a good starting point for oui. Get caught once, no more driving for you. Ever.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Doubt that a one strike policy would have stopped this tragedy.
"No more driving" is only as good as enforcement. In the southwest, millions of drivers have never received a license and care little about who they run over. Hit and Runs are rampant.
Oh, I think the one strike thing should only be a starting point. There are many other efforts which could be put into place. Maybe an attempted murder charge for those caught oui. Often, the fear of serious repercussions can serve as a deterrent.
myself, not being a resident of the southwest, are the millions driving without a licence people who are not legal citizens of this country or is there another factor in play there?
Oui is a serious crime that should have serious repercussions
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
They are not legal residents. Cali issues drivers licenses to those who have jumped the fence. Other states do not.
I have unfortunately known many problem drinkers. All logic goes out the window when they are drunk. License or no license, they will often continue risking the lives of others.
Well, isn't that special, about the licenses. My level of sympathy for those who drive under the influence is very, very low. Maybe if they got five years in the can first offense with no early parole or suspended sentences some people may start to think a little more clearly.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I wonder if the stadium tribute honors will remain in place.
Good question. While perhaps oui is a level below murder 1, it is an egregious offense. If I was part of the Marlins brass, I would remove any tribute to Jofer. Great pitcher, not someone to look up to or pay tribute to.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Almost 24 years to the date of the Tim Crews/Steve Olin boat accident in 1993.
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