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New 1944-D Dime Doubled Die Obverse

dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
I recently picked this coin at a coin show out of a dealer's $4 "junk" bin.
I've only found a listing for one 1944-D doubled die dime (DDO-001), and this one doesn't match the doubling on that one, or the mint mark placement:
1944-D 10¢ WDDO-001

The doubling on my coin is somewhat apparent on the motto IGWT.
But it is most obvious on the AW designer's initials.
The feather tip lips also have extra thickness (see arrows).
So is this a new unlisted 1944-D 10¢ Double Die Obverse ?

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    cursory examination, looks like ddo1 to me.



    did you line up gouges?

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see what your talking about but I'm afraid I'm not the guy to make the call. I will say it's looks to be a possibility. It's also a fair price for a nice Merc. I wish you all the luck in the world my coin brother????
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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
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    cursory examination, looks like ddo1 to me.

    did you line up gouges?
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    Thanks for that. I'm not sure why I wasn't able to find that page in my searching.
    Anyway, my coin matches that Wiles DDO-001, including the die scratch locations.
    But it doesn't match the Wexler DDO-001 shown on the page I linked in the first post.
    I assume the Wiles listing is correct.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr

    But it doesn't match the Wexler DDO-001 shown on the page I linked in the first post.





    oops. i didnt click ur link but that mm is for sure diff.



    not sure if that wexler one is a diff die, wrong image etc. perhaps like vams, it just a die 1, 2 situation.



    not sure what i'd do. look up more example and/or contact wexler/wiles.



    gratz either way and images are pretty nice.



    on another subject. i picked up a 96o v22 in a pcgs au53 holder. put images on the page since it is such a controversial (apparently) vam. would like to xrf it but doubt it will work through the plastic.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    But it doesn't match the Wexler DDO-001 shown on the page I linked in the first post.


    oops. i didnt click ur link but that mm is for sure diff.

    not sure if that wexler one is a diff die, wrong image etc. perhaps like vams, it just a die 1, 2 situation.

    not sure what i'd do. look up more example and/or contact wexler/wiles.

    gratz either way and images are pretty nice.

    on another subject. i picked up a 96o v22 in a pcgs au53 holder. put images on the page since it is such a controversial (apparently) vam. would like to xrf it but doubt it will work through the plastic.
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    Where are the pictures ? I'd like to take a look. I have a couple 1896-O VAM-22 (not in slabs, however).

    XRF testing on a coin in a slab is possible, although accuracy is not as good compared with testing the coin out of the holder.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Where are the pictures ? I'd like to take a look. I have a couple 1896-O VAM-22 (not in slabs, however).




    since they're tough to find, i'll go ahead and linkify them for ya. image

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Where are the pictures ? I'd like to take a look. I have a couple 1896-O VAM-22 (not in slabs, however).


    since they're tough to find, i'll go ahead and linkify them for ya. image
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    I've seen those pictures, I thought maybe you had some different ones (in the PCGS slab).
    Anyway, I think that the 1896-O VAM-22 is a vintage "privately-made" piece.
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool DDO, Mr. Carr. Nice pick. You can really see the Class VI doubling on the "AW."

    Thanks for showing it.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm having a hard time seeing any doubling.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

    I'm having a hard time seeing any doubling.




    ^^^This. Not seeing much here. Sorry. Totally unexciting.
  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it. I would have picked that up if I saw it as well.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't see it and maybe I need a monitor bigger than 24"?



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  • bjaminbjamin Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
    sorry but I just don't get it.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr

    I've seen those pictures, I thought maybe you had some different ones (in the PCGS slab).

    Anyway, I think that the 1896-O VAM-22 is a vintage "privately-made" piece.





    hehe, fair enuf. i would/will post pics of the au in-holder. not just now though. i'll say why at a later time.



    ive been looking fairly regularly for the fat designers initials but havent found one yet. grrr

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
    I'm having a hard time seeing any doubling.


    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    Don't see it and maybe I need a monitor bigger than 24"?

    bobimage


    Originally posted by: bjamin
    sorry but I just don't get it.



    The doubling is very minor, except for the AW designer's initials.
    Parts of both letters are much wider than normal due to the double overlapped impression.

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  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have an XRF handheld at work. Tried on a few slabbed pieces with mixed results, mostly due from too much space between the opening and the coin.

    Even thin layers of mylar can through off the reading though.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pickup Dan... I think I would miss that if not specifically looking for that coin....Cheers, RickO
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without looking too deeply into this...that is a good looking dime to be in a "junk box"!
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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, but I don't find any varieties or errors detectable only under a microscope to be very exciting. I'm not seeing it in these pictures. Perhaps using a SEM might help.

    Cheers

    Bob
  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭
    I don't see it on my 32" monitor, even with my glasses on. LOL

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