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Question on die polish/die damage

worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
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Can anybody shed some light on die polish vs. die scratches (pre strike) vs. planchet damage? I have a medal on the way that has clear scratches on the fields, but I suspect they were either on the planchet before the strike or they were part of a damaged die. Note the scratches appear to be underneath the letters in the closeup - see the X in particular. Any ideas?



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    worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
    Another closeup

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    EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If die scratches, then the marks would be raised on the coin. If planchet scratches, then we should see signs of obliteration (from striking).

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    worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
    EVP - that is a good common sense observation that i cannot yet answer. Medal will be in hand next week so I will report back.



    Here is the piece in question graded by our host:

    1788 German States - Freising

    Sede Vacante medal

    PCGS MS-62

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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brent - is the metal "softer" - this is what one tends to see in aluminum yet silver scratches tend to be localized. To me this seems too systemic and on one side of the medal. Perhaps a die issue.
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While it would be insane to have that much it really looks like there was a lot of lint on the die..which would be a strike through.
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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like raised lines to me.

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    1Bustcollector1Bustcollector Posts: 569 ✭✭✭
    Almost looks like a combination of everything. Yes, die polish is raised.



    Question: Is this medal or coin rotation? A possibility on the "straight" lined areas could be clashing from the obverse while the other squiggly areas are scratches mixed with very little or slight die polish. You can possibly do an overlay and see....
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭
    Looks more like a strike through hair/wool to me.
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    CIVITASCIVITAS Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭
    Looks like struck through fibers to me too.
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    worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the ideas everybody. I will update the thread once I get hands on the medal with a loop in hand. Who could have guessed that the 1788 issues were struck during the annual Freising wool fair at the cathedral?
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    worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
    Interestingly, this is the same piece.



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