7070 with all counterfeits

Bodin

Has it ever been done?
....I kind of want to try. (will probably take decades)

Anyone know where I should start?

DRUNNER

Credit Union president here in Salt Lake did this project. He had stunning counterfeits . . .all in a 7070. The most challenging were the late dates . . . many of the earlier coins were (relatively) easy for him. The highlight was a 1926-S Buffalo with the embossed mintmark. It was a stunning MS64-5 and would fool even the most die-hard Buff fan . . . but there was the slightest 'tell' on the rim where the embossing was done. Too bad . . it would have been a HUGE coin if genuine. He had most of the copper up to the steel cent . . . a nice fake 1909-S VDB and 1916-D Merc, and even a cast Kennedy. But . . . it is almost impossible to get true counterfeits of the clad era and beyond. The bust material was easy, as was most of the seated.



Unfortunately, he passed away several years ago. Not sure what happened to his collection, but it was his pride and joy. I loved looking at it every year or so . . . it was quite an impressive project.



Drunner

bjamin

Just saw you in a brand new commercial, congrats....but it isn't up on your sig line?

mannie gray

Cool idea. sounds like fun and a challenge.

I would never have thought of it.

AmazonX

This is actually something I'm attempting to do right now. Don't have a 7070, though.

oih82w8

I just happen to have an actual 7070 album with my chinese fakes in it. I use it to pass around for others to see the types of coins I have but I keep the real ones in their PCGS slabs.

DaveWcoins

I assume you are talking about assembling a set with contemporary counterfeits.



If you do it with that modern Chinese junk, it will take you about 1 week or less.



At one time I was working on sets of contemporary counterfeit Barber 50c, 25c and 10c, as well as a copper to gold type set.



I didn't have them in Dansco 7070 albums; I had them in the old Wayte Raymond boards.



There is no guarantee you could complete a set that way -- counterfeiters were interested in making $$, not in set completion, so a complete set might not even exist. But that is half the fun.



As I recall, I got a little over half of the dates and mints of Barber 50c (that's still a lot of coins) and that took me about 20 years.



I wish I never sold those sets...



I had them for so long that some of the coins were developing concentric rainbow toning from the albums.

seanq

I love the idea of type sets with unique themes. I actually have a counterfeit seated dollar with a rim clip in my clipped 7070 album. I don't think it was intentional, as it wasn't listed as an error when the coin was offered on eBay years ago. For all I know that might make it rarer than a genuine clipped seated dollar.



Sean Reynolds

LanceNewmanOCC

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i dont know about 7070, but ive seen MANY other albums filled with fakes, by same type and mixed.



there are MANY millions, most likely more, fake coins in the continental 48 alone.

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braddick

Originally posted by: DRUNNER
Credit Union president here in Salt Lake did this project. He had stunning counterfeits. .all in a 7070. The most challenging were the late dates . . . many of the earlier coins were (relatively) easy for him. The highlight was a 1926-S Buffalo with the embossed mintmark. It was a stunning MS64-5 and would fool even the most die-hard Buff fan . . . but there was the slightest 'tell' on the rim where the embossing was done. Too bad . it would have been a HUGE coin if genuine. He had most of the copper up to the steel cent . . . a nice fake 1909-S VDB and 1916-D Merc, and even a cast Kennedy. But . . . it is almost impossible to get true counterfeits of the clad era and beyond. The bust material was easy, as was most of the seated.

Unfortunately, he passed away several years ago. Not sure what happened to his collection, but it was his pride and joy. I loved looking at it every year or so . . . it was quite an impressive project.

Drunner

It sounds like this Buffalo nickel was an altered genuine coin. Is that the case? And, if it was- would this Dansco set need to be labeled as a set of counterfeits and alterations?

The kicker would be placing these coins in a counterfeit Dansco album. They too are out there.

DRUNNER

Yes . . . the Buff was a genuine 1926 Philly . . . appearing about MS64 or better. These coins were the subject of embossing mintmarks in the 90's, and maybe even before. I believe one of the ANA reprints had details of it . . .



As far as counterfeit or altered . . . it worked out fine for him, and he was happy. I guess that is all that matters . . .



Yup . . . Dansco is truly losing out by eliminating what might be their most popular album . . . .



Drunner

messydesk

I'd think an MS64 1926 with an added S would stick out in that the quality of the strike, and in general the fabric of the coin, would look nothing like an MS64 1926-S.

TopographicOceans

But you would need a fake Dansco 7070 album to house them in.

golden

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
But you would need a fake Dansco 7070 album to house them in.

BLUEJAYWAY

Back in the early 70's I found a 1967 lead Wash. from circulation. Still got it somewhere.

TigersFan2

Do you differentiate between altered and counterfeit? Would a 1944-D Wheat Cent altered to look like a 1914-D Wheat Cent qualify as counterfeit?

At a coin show earlier this year, one of the dealers was showing off his counterfeit Eisenhower Dollar he got in Germany.

BillJones

I would never collect counterfeits like that. To me it's like feeding a very evil beast, even when it's old. The only exception for me has been a Machin's Mills counterfeit copper since those did have historical significance.

Wabbit2313

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

But you would need a fake Dansco 7070 album to house them in.

I agree, that was funny!

AmazonX

Originally posted by: BillJones
I would never collect counterfeits like that. To me it's like feeding a very evil beast, even when it's old. The only exception for me has been a Machin's Mills counterfeit copper since those did have historical significance.

Why? Contemporary counterfeits have a historical significance.