Jordan auto graded no authentic.........what to do.....
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So I was in the local card shop about a month ago and I came across a 1989 hoops all star Michael Jordan autographed card in the showcase. I asked the dealer whom I have dealt with for several years now what's the story on the Jordan auto? He tells me that he had the card signed in person several years ago at the National Convention. Having dealt with him for many years I had no reason to question this so I bought it and sent it to PSA to get slabbed and authenticated. Well I got the results in today and I got the dreaded "no authentic". What should I do?? Thanks, Andy
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If you guys are as good as you say, no reason why he wouldnt do something to stand behind it
But on something like that, I would have been up front and asked about a TPA
scenario and based my purchase on his answer. Makes for an awkward position after the fact now
Have a scan of it?
Definitely let him know at least. Who knows if he will do anything for you
If you guys are as good as you say, no reason why he wouldnt do something to stand behind it
But on something like that, I would have been up front and asked about a TPA
scenario and based my purchase on his answer. Makes for an awkward position after the fact now
Have a scan of it?
I agree with this. I would certainly ask him to stand by his product. With purchases like that I agree that I would request the purchase to be conditional based upon passing TPG from the get go.
Sorry to hear this happened to you. Since this is a four figure card, i would hope he makes it right, or you should take your money elsewhere
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I've seen some pretty fugly Jordan autos lately in slabs so I really anticipate
checking this one out. There is also JSA and SGC too
As in the first place, try and get some opinions first whether it looks to be even close
to keep pursuing it
I'll preface with I'm willing to bet that MJ did not sign a few years ago at the National.
But, accusing a shop guy of lying wouldn't help this.
I would just bring the item with the "reject" from PSA to the shop and ask for a refund.
If you paid by card and they won't? Ask for a refund thru the card company and when they dispute it? Show them a copy of the PSA report.
I understand how important the PSA/DNA pedigree is - and since this was probably not a cheap purchase? I'd want to the return it also.
Best of luck.
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Quick story; a few years ago I purchased a Dan Marino rc from a dealer at a local card show here, I sent it in for grading which it came back as questionable authenticity. I took the card back to him (probably around 2 months later) and showed him the card with the letter from bgs. He couldn't have been nicer about it and immediately gave me a full refund and I had never spent a dollar with him before that. No reason why this guy shouldn't give you a refund.
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The OP said the shop owner got it at the National a few years ago - this is a "card shop" - no where did the OP say he was taking any "risk."
The syntax of your response reeks of an ALT - like doctorperfecto e.g.
We DON'T support our friends here with those kind of curt responses.
I definitely understand the risks involved with buying autos that have not been authenticated and like I said before I never would have purchased it without the dealer telling me that he got it signed in person. I have dealt with him for several years so I had no reason to think that he would tell me something like that if it wasn't accurate. Thanks for the input fellas and hopefully I will be able to work it out with the dealer without any problems. Thanks, Andy
I think it'll go well Andy - ya don't stay in business with a shop by avoiding good customer service.
Take care.
A year or so ago I ran into the lady who got it signed for me and her step son in seventh grade and asked her about it. She recounted the story like it was yesterday. She is a Disney executive and he was a guest of their's at the time and she has no reason to lie.
I have other items that have failed PSA as well that I am very confident are real.
This is a tough one.
Did you pay the price of one that is already authenticated?
That's interesting Dpeck. Maybe I should send some scans of it to some of the more knowledgeable auto experts on the board once I have the card back in hand and see what they think. This is why I posted here fellas.....you guys have tons of knowledge and it's always good to hear others thoughts before deciding what to do. Thanks, Andy
How much do they charge for the auto authentic. on the card?
PSA is very tough on high end autos, especially Jordan. They are not going to put a sloppy, rushed auto in their holder, unless they knew the source it came from.
There is a vintage Cassius Clay signature on Heritage auctions right now. The signature is not authenticated by PSA or JSA, but comes with a LOA from Harry Shaffer. I had similar Clay autos that were deemed not authentic by PSA and JSA, but I was told by a few major boxing dealers that they were authentic. It is best to do your homework, and if something doesn't look right then stay away.
The Jordan story the guy gave you sounds like just that, a story.
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I have a similar story, but the dealer is long gone. I purchased this Bulls team signed Hoops sheet in the spring of '91 from my then local card store. The dealer had a couple of them, he told me he got them signed by hanging around after the Bulls practice. I grew up in Des Plaines which is not too far from where they practiced in Deerfield, so it made sense. I asked him if Jordan was the hardest to get signed, and he said no, by far Bill Cartwright was the hardest. Anyways, I have always thought the signatures were real. I brought it to the national three years ago and wanted PSA to authenticate it, but they were too busy to get it back the same day, but SGC said they could do it. They couldn't authenticate it. I may try again in the future, but since I'm never selling it, I'm not in a hurry.
an apology would be in order here, Stone
Everybody knows you're an alt, but we let it go, because you're usually either funny or you're picking on the people who deserve it. But if you're going to pick a fight with Mike I don't think it will go well for you. If any board member is above reproach, it's him.
autos are opinions. if you buy one thats not authenticated, you're taking a risk. if it doesn't pan out, don't go crying back to the seller. you knew what you were buying.
But when a dealer says he had it signed at the National (personally), a vast majority of folks would take this as truth, as you should be able to do. A flat out lie like this hopefully only represents a small group. Yep, this makes the dealer a member of the 1%er group (outaw). How this guy has a shop and makes a living is unexplainable, as he has probably been turning these out for years (if he did the counterfeiting). He should be exposed with shop name, address and phone number. Of course, try and get your money back first.
To be honest, no direction, but...
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Went over to Lelands to see if they had anything and there's a young Jordan auto pic for sale and this was part of the auction on eBay.
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Either way I would return it.
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I have a Jeter rookie card that I got signed in person in Syracuse in 1995 that PSA will not pass. Absolutely beautiful signature. The Columbus Clippers were visiting, and they were loaded: Mo, Jeets, Posada, and Ruben Rivera. Mo, Posada and Ruben had all left the clubhouse and were signing in the parking lot and it was sort of chaos. I see the clubhouse door open up, and Jeter is standing right there. Me and another guy I don't know rush over to him. The other guy goes first and hands him a stack of cards and Jeets signs all of them. I give him my binder, that probably has 8 - 10 cards showing, and he only signs one. What could have been....but it's hard to argue with having a Jeter signed RC in your collection. In hindsight I probably should have tried to double dip him.
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Fair point in general, but my username and real name are the same lol
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