Finally found a decently struck 1921 Peace Dollar

ElmerFusterpuck

I've been looking for one of these for awhile, one that is struck well on both sides. Too many are struck well on one side only, or in most cases, not well on any side. This one is graded PCGS MS-64, has a small planchet flaw in the hair and looks to have original light gold skin on it.

georgiacop50

Beaut! looks better 'n 64

hickoryridge

appears better than most 65s

Wabbit2313

Very nice! To get that $2000 jump to the next grade is not easy, but this one has a shot.

DIMEMAN

Very nice for the year. The small ticks on the neck will probably keep it out of a 65 holder.

AUandAG

I was searching for one and would love to have seen yours. I gave up a couple of months ago just because they are so hard to find.......



bob

jerseycat101

Well above average strike. Shame for that scratch on Libertys face, otherwise, probably a 65.

PutTogether

EVERYONE thinks that their 1921 Peace has a "good strike" or is "better than average." You however, are quite right. This one is nice. Hair is good, eagle feathers are good. Cheek even has a tiny bit of that extra shape the design was supposed to have. Good job.


I am still waiting for the person that says: "here is my typical for the type, weakly struck, 1921 Peace Dollar." Today just isn't the day I guess.

golden

Nice for a 1921.

ACop

Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

Very nice! To get that $2000 jump to the next grade is not easy, but this one has a shot.

It's $1000 jump.

Very nice strike on this one. Is it one of the proof die strikes? Looks to have some of the die polish lines markers.

Ed62

Best strike I have ever seen on a '21.

Walkerfan

Looks very nice to me.



Strong detail.

BryceM

Very nice. There are better, strike-wise, but only a very few. I like this one quite a bit.

fivecents

Wow...what a stunner! That has to be the best MS 64 I've ever seen.

Weiss

Beauty! Has the same looking fields as mine. Maybe they're struck from the same die.

dizzlecc

Nice looking coin, congrats on the pick up.

Baley

Originally posted by: PutTogether

EVERYONE thinks that their 1921 Peace has a "good strike" or is "better than average." You however, are quite right. This one is nice. Hair is good, eagle feathers are good. Cheek even has a tiny bit of that extra shape the design was supposed to have. Good job.





I am still waiting for the person that says: "here is my typical for the type, weakly struck, 1921 Peace Dollar." Today just isn't the day I guess.

here is my typical for the type, weakly struck, 1921 Peace Dollar.

PutTogether

Baley -

I gave you a slow clap. Well played.

brg5658

Superb coin Elmer...

Jimnight

Nice one for sure!

santinidollar

Killer coin!

kaz

5 year old thread alert!

Nuts4Coins

Best pic I have because I haven't received it yet... Any ideas on the sell price?

KISHU1

She is a beauty, very well struck
Congrats
I’m still looking for one that nice

Frank D

koynekwest

That's an outstanding example, ElmerFusterpuck. Here's mine, also very well struck on the hair detail on the obverse and the feather detail above the leg-

Nuts4Coins

Can anyone give me Amy feedback on my post of the 1921 Peace Dollar?

thefinn

@Nuts4Coins said:
Can anyone give me Amy feedback on my post of the 1921 Peace Dollar?

It was well struck - probably struck on the first day. It is circulated now and scuffy, so loses any kind of premium. If it was a nice AU or higher, then it would be worthy of a premium.

lkeigwin

Considering that over one million 1921 Peace dollars were struck in just four days (from dozens of obverse dies...40 were prepared) I doubt that those well-struck happened because it was the first day of production.

This isn't to say it isn't a matter of early die use. But there are lots of other factors too, given all the presses and dies used and their set-up.
Lance.

thefinn

@lkeigwin said:
Considering that over one million 1921 Peace dollars were struck in just four days (from dozens of obverse dies...40 were prepared) I doubt that those well-struck happened because it was the first day of production.

This isn't to say it isn't a matter of early die use. But there are lots of other factors too, given all the presses and dies used and their set-up.
Lance.

Read Roger Burdette. Initially higher pressures were used to fill the dies. When it was seen how many dies this caused to crack, the pressure was reduced to make the dies last longer. So, the first dies (day one) weren't used enough to wear and develop luster on the coins. The later coins have flatter devices, but lasted long enough to give a cartwheel effect. As Burdette says, you can have a 1921 Peace Dollar with a strong strike or luster, but not both.

thefinn

@RogerB Roger Burdette posted the following 1921 Peace Dollar Strike Reference Guide on this Forum January 9, 2019.

The Illustrations are excerpted from Roger’s book A Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd Edition

@RogerB said:
This illustration might help fans of 1921 Peace dollars categorize the detail ('strike') on their coins. Detail ranges from "best" at upper left to "worst" at lower right (reading left to right, top to bottom). These focus on central detail which is the most frequently discussed area on the coin.

Most coins will fall between middle right and bottom left.

Upper left is an electrotype of the original iron cast at the Philadelphia Mint. A proof should have detail between that of the two top images; however, a few proofs have inferior central details and superior peripheral details.

One coin is known with detail inferior to the lower right example: hair and cheek completely merge.

cecropiamoth

Here is one that I had years ago. Sold it for a small profit. Wish I had held onto it now with the surge in prices for the 1921. Replacement cost would be high and perhaps impossible to find in an old ANA small white alpha-numeric holder. I think my example had a slightly better strike than most, but not by a lot.

Jeff

Walkerfan

@ElmerFusterpuck Do you still own the coin in the OP? She's a beauty!

ElmerFusterpuck

@Walkerfan said:
@ElmerFusterpuck Do you still own the coin in the OP? She's a beauty!

I still own that coin. I always wanted one for type, and glad I held onto it.

lkeigwin

@thefinn said:

@lkeigwin said:
Considering that over one million 1921 Peace dollars were struck in just four days (from dozens of obverse dies...40 were prepared) I doubt that those well-struck happened because it was the first day of production.

This isn't to say it isn't a matter of early die use. But there are lots of other factors too, given all the presses and dies used and their set-up.
Lance.

Read Roger Burdette. Initially higher pressures were used to fill the dies. When it was seen how many dies this caused to crack, the pressure was reduced to make the dies last longer.

Thanks. I own and have read RWB's book. And other docs of his (e.g., Common Areas of Weakness on 1921 Peace Dollars).

Logically, coins struck from new, unworn dies should yield the best strike, all else being equal. But we don't know what was going on during those four frantic production days. We're told 20% of one million were minted on Wednesday (day one). And that dies were failing after an average of 25,000 strikes. About 40 obverse dies were available.

Reducing strike pressure is surely something the Mint must have tried to extend die life. But when? As RWB wrote, "since the high-relief design also did not strike properly with one blow from the press an obvious solution was to reduce the relief." (This, of course, didn't happen until the 1922 Peace dollar.)

Morgan reserved 50 coins from the first production run for deFrancisci and "complained that the coin is not what either of them really wanted." Results weren't as expected.
Lance.

Walkerfan

@ElmerFusterpuck said:

@Walkerfan said:
@ElmerFusterpuck Do you still own the coin in the OP? She's a beauty!

I still own that coin. I always wanted one for type, and glad I held onto it.

Thanks for responding. You were smart to keep it.

jesbroken

Being all 1921 Peace Dollars are High Relief, why do they bother saying High Relief on the slabs. I have heard many people saying that a coin is high relief thinking that meant well struck and obviously #6 is High Relief and not well struck.
Jim

BillJones

@golden said:
Nice for a 1921.

Nice for a Peace Dollar PERIOD.

anablep

Thanks for posting this. One of the reasons I'm holding off on a 1921 Peace is because I need to educate myself on its strike and how that affects price. I'm hoping to locate a coin like @ElmerFusterpuck 's example... nice job!

BryceM

Strike doesn’t affect price as much as you’d think. Really well-struck or really poorly struck coins are affected, but only a little.

thefinn

@BryceM said:
Strike doesn’t affect price as much as you’d think. Really well-struck or really poorly struck coins are affected, but only a little.

No, but it makes them easier to sell - especially to the knowledgeable.

thefinn

@BryceM said:
Strike doesn’t affect price as much as you’d think. Really well-struck or really poorly struck coins are affected, but only a little.

No, but it makes them easier to sell - especially to the knowledgeable.

thefinn

@anablep said:
Thanks for posting this. One of the reasons I'm holding off on a 1921 Peace is because I need to educate myself on its strike and how that affects price. I'm hoping to locate a coin like @ElmerFusterpuck 's example... nice job!

They are worth looking for. I had a customer looking for a fully struck 1921 Peace and told him that it was about 1 in 100 that was well struck, but most have been dipped to death. He finally found a very nice MS62 in a TPG and said that the 1:100 number is low.

ElmerFusterpuck

I think one of the best struck Peace dollars I've seen here is owned by @Weiss. His MS-65 rules!