grading errors w/o designation

LanceNewmanOCC

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we get toners, varieties, marriages etc graded with no designation BUT



how about errors.



anyone send errors in simply for the standard grading fee with no error desig?



basically, can we do it?



honestly dont recall this being asked but surely it has been.



seems like a good way to get some errors protected and certified; especially moderns 1965 and forward.



maybe they wont as people/customers would think pcgs may be on the line since it is in their holder w/o desig. but it seems the same prob would exist with the aforementioned designations.

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WaterSport

My CONECA top 100 Showcase set is mostly made up of unattributed RPMS, DDR, ,Etc that PCGS does not recognize. I could pay extra and get a “minor Variety” designation, but why bother. Its easier to just photoshop fake labels for the fun of just compiling the set. I see no reason why you could not do errors also, but remember PCGS will usually genuine a less than perfect planchet or noticeable flaw.

WS

ShadyDave

If it is worthy of a designation, I'd pony up the $$$ for it.



I recently saw a member here who submitted a VERY obvious 1918/7 SLQ and they didn't get the designation the first time around cause the graders were not looking for the rare variety (WTF?). If you are looking for the designation on the slab and it is worth the cost, I'd pay the money to have it reviewed for the error/variety to get the premium when selling it. If a TPG can't ID a 1918/7 SLQ in a well preserved state, then I don't know what they would be able to ID or would want to ID if they didn't receive the extra money during the submittal process... and I wouldn't want to have to go through the submission process multiple times if I didn't have to...

ricko

Why not just pay for the designation? If it is significant, then it is worth slabbing..if not, keep it in a flip. Cheers, RickO

MedalCollector

I've wondered the same thing as I've considered sending in some of my errors without the error designation. The reason is that I have no problem recognizing the error, nor would most error collectors. Errors are usually much more recognizable than even the largest die varieties. Additionally, many times the designation on the holder is incorrect, or incomplete due to space limitations that the TPGs have.

georgiacop50

Yes, you surely can send errors for a straight grade, but some of the errors will lower the grade, based upon my experiences.



For example, a coin that would grade MS67 but having a strike thru error would be downgraded to MS66 or even lower.



Another coin that would normally qualify for MS65, but has a clip might get downed to MS64.

LanceNewmanOCC

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ty for your input.



need to try this out.



wont hold anyone accountable is desired results aren't achieved.



was concerned it wasn't even an option.

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oih82w8

On the previously mentioned 1918/7-S Standing Liberty Quarter, PCGS should have caught that right away and not charged for variety attribution (if they did) since it is a Major Variety, Minor Varieties require the attribution fee...if I remember correctly...at least the folks ATS do not charge extra for Majors.



The error fee ($60) is pretty steep, but I am sure that there is more research required, so it would have to worthwhile to me.



Bottom line is that if it is worth it to you, that is what matters!

messydesk

Errors and varieties are two entirely different things. 1918/7-S quarters, CONECA RPMs and DDOs, and everything else that is in the die is a variety, which doesn't affect grade or eye appeal. Off-centers, broadstrikes, multiple strikes, clamshell planchets, etc. are errors that can affect these.



You can probably send in very minor errors without the error coin fee, but as soon as the error crosses the threshold of something that someone in the market for a non-error coin wouldn't want, they should bounce it from normal grading.

Insider2

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

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we get toners, varieties, marriages etc graded with no designation BUT



how about errors.



anyone send errors in simply for the standard grading fee with no error desig?



basically, can we do it?



honestly dont recall this being asked but surely it has been.



seems like a good way to get some errors protected and certified; especially moderns 1965 and forward.



maybe they wont as people/customers would think pcgs may be on the line since it is in their holder w/o desig. but it seems the same prob would exist with the aforementioned designations.

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Insider2

Of course you can. ICG REGULARLY attributes varieties and errors w/o charge as in most cases the submitter had no idea what he had! There is no charge for many of the varieties listed in the Redbook anyway. Of course, the coin won't be in an NGC or PCGS slab (worth more?).



Perhaps, PCGS would cross a coin with a variety noted on the old slab at no extra charge but I doubt it. Call them.