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WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
Stopped by the B&M today. Just as I was getting ready to leave, one of the other, older collectors who frequents the shop came in. This guy has an eye for quality that is just outstanding. And he's had it for decades. He knows when he sees quality pieces. And he knows from experience that if you don't pay for it now, you won't be able to afford it later.

Today he was show-and-telling some of his better slabbed cents. The three OGHs are just about perfectly matched...

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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    '55 MS63BN DBLD DIE looks interesting.
  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    There is a lot of red in the two RB's. And a '14-D in MS63RD is amazing.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And a '14-D in MS63RD is amazing.

    That was my thought as well.....the others are nice too, but I've at least seen those
    before....but not a 14D in Red.


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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of those coins look very nice. The s-vdb has some nice luster and toning.



    From that photo angle the 14-d doesn't look very red. Key date coins in MS63/64 holders is no guarantee of quality, and neither are the ogh's (ie expensive is not necessarily quality).



    There are also periods of time (in years) when quantity over quality is the better way to go. Sometimes staying simple in coins is better than getting too complicated.



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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    That's about as red as "red" 14-D cents get in my experience -- they come brickish red if red at all. If one were to show up looking like a '20-P blazer, you'd have to look at it askance.

    All that said, RR is about as wise as they get with regard to markets. I agree about the keep it simple philosophy; if you're on the right side of a trade with gold or silver bullion over a number of years, there's nothing more argument-free or liquid. Whatever it goes for, it goes for, lock in a price and you're out the door. image
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,776 ✭✭✭✭✭
    14-d in 63 red holder (pcgs) is givin a wee bit of leeway in regards to color vs higher graded (64/65 coins. Am Not knocking the coin in no way, as I like the guys coins a great deal and there quality

    Iv got a 65rb 14-d that is so close to red its unreal, probably a near miss by 1 to 1.5% to make PCGS definition of full red, but because of the rb designation on the holder, I saved about 8K. otherwise coin is all there and cac'd as well
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    jdimmick, would love to see that superb-sounding '14-D! image Mine is a VF, which is the level I operate at.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just checked PCGS pops. The 14-D MS63 in red has a population of...30. image


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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coins. Even the 08-S looks fantastic.

    My favorite is that 55/55

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  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    That 08-S Indian would last about two seconds in that holder.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Shortgapbob
    That 08-S Indian would last about two seconds in that holder.


    You can just make out a lone contact mark on her jaw. Or maybe it's a planchet flaw.

    Other than that, eye-scorching firey red with prooflike fields front and back. I mean it's literally borderline cameo. I found myself reaching for a black surface to check the mirrors.

    The reverse is sick. It's so impossibly mark free that it simply looks fake. Your gut tells you it just can't be. But there it is.
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree.

    Quality group of small cents you got to see today.



    Did he bring them just for show and tell?

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sweet group! Some idiot will eventually crack that 08-S beauty and stick it in a brand new slab where many will question the stability of its color. The 14-D should really be a RB even with the leeway given IMO.

  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer
    Sweet group! Some idiot will eventually crack that 08-S beauty and stick it in a brand new slab where many will question the stability of its color. The 14-D should really be a RB even with the leeway given IMO.




    Yep. If it's anything like the images, that 08-S would go in a 66 RD holder.
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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing beauties.



    I love it when the old-timers show off what they have.



    Simply can't find that stuff today.



    This is what it's all about IMHO.



    How enjoyable to be able to view and discuss such pieces.

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  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still like the full gaskets and non fade print. I love this look, who cares what the grades are. I grade them desirable! Prob not sent to CAC yet? Prob tons of coins just like this sitting in collections put back in the day.

    Makes me wonder what % of slabbed coins have not been sent to CAC. How much of the market has been shipped there. My gut says under 20%.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome set of KEYS!



    Most of those were in OGH once upon a time (seven digit serial numbers, the 14-D has been reholdered...an additional digit has been added, although it is a zero). Not sure about the 09-S VDB Blue Label being before or after the OGH.
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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We will have to take your word for the quality as you can't tell anything from those pictures. I will say that the 09 S VDB has a spot near the I in IGWT that would prevent me from buying it. 55 DDO looks like a nice chocolate brown, but what kind and location of bag marks are on the coin? I guess I was moved to respond when you suggested that if you don't buy quality now, you may not ever be able to afford it. Tell that to all of the owners of the 09 S VDB PCGS MS65RB coins that dropped in value a grand when someone hit the market with a roll. Those key dates are in 50% of the cases at a National show. Maybe I'm just feeling argumentative tonight. image
  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is amazing how the 08-S pops in that picture. It just stands out. Luster image
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow... wish I had been there... they are a lovely group. Cheers, RickO
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And he knows from experience that if you don't pay for it now, you won't be able to afford it later.



    while I understand this logic it doesn't always hold true. prices on key date coins in collector grades up to AU have been falling for the past few years. as for high AU and MS I can't say but there are more collectors looking for a nice 1914-D Lincoln in VF/XF than in 63/64. it works both ways, buying and selling, and I've told more than a few regulars that if they are considering selling it might be prudent to do it sooner than later.



    few listen.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: keets

    And he knows from experience that if you don't pay for it now, you won't be able to afford it later.



    while I understand this logic it doesn't always hold true. prices on key date coins in collector grades up to AU have been falling for the past few years. as for high AU and MS I can't say but there are more collectors looking for a nice 1914-D Lincoln in VF/XF than in 63/64. it works both ways, buying and selling, and I've told more than a few regulars that if they are considering selling it might be prudent to do it sooner than later.



    few listen.






    A large percentage of the MS63-MS67 coin market peaked back in 1990. What didn't peak then pretty much peaked by 2008-2009. While a very small percentage of coins (1-10%) have gone above those 2 prior peaks, they are in a small minority. Tried and true Good-AU collector coins were out of favor in 1990, and to some extent in 2008. Many of those are probably near all-time highs.



    That second view of the 14-d looks a lot more red than the first one.





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  • Bob1951Bob1951 Posts: 268 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: Weiss



    And he knows from experience that if you don't pay for it now, you won't be able to afford it later.



    Oh how I know that. There was a time when I could afford a 1878-S seated liberty half dollar if I stretched a bit. A 1916 liberty standing quarter is another example and there are plenty of others that are now simply priced out of my buying range. Also an 1793 capped bust large cent, 1873-CC seated liberty quarter, 1794 bust half dollar. All of these are still on my want list and probably will always be there.





  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    I've seen a few 14-D's in 63RD before and they all looked like crap or at least looked compromised. The one in the OP looks fabulous. One could argue it should be RB, but one could also argue it should be a 64. I'd love to see the reverse.



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  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    Nice group of coins but I am with the folks that are partial to the 55/55.





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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Problem is all the quantity has to be gone through to find the quality, and why it's a cherrypicker's delight.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    I dunno, that group looks like both quality and quantity.

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