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Good advice for young numismatists looking for a career in numismatics?

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
I started collecting coins at 5, 50 years ago. For that entire half century, the best advice you could give a YN looking for a career in numismatics was that he should focus on grading.

Today, I think it might be better advice to encourage kids to focus on authentication.

Agreed?
Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The difference between seeing coins raw vs. in a holder is tremendous and I believe something many younger people dont see as much
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spend as much time studying problem coins as you do studying nice ones.
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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Start buying and selling now. Start to build inventory of the nicer stuff with your profits. Know what you are dealing in. Be your own boss.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forget about it. Unless your part of a Numismatic family worth millions.

    It takes really big money to be a Coin Dealer.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless you have the financial ability to play in the very high end of the market forget about a career in coin dealing. Use of coins in everyday transactions may very well cease within the next twenty-five years. When (if) that happens interest in coin collecting will plummet among the general population. The only players left will be the very wealthy with strong historical interests and they aren't going to be looking for "ordinary" collector coins.

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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: joebb21
    The difference between seeing coins raw vs. in a holder is tremendous and I believe something many younger people dont see as much


    As a young person, THIS.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: cmerlo1
    Spend as much time studying problem coins as you do studying nice ones.


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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    I started collecting coins at 5, 50 years ago. For that entire half century, the best advice you could give a YN looking for a career in numismatics was that he should focus on grading.

    Today, I think it might be better advice to encourage kids to focus on authentication.

    Agreed?
    The TPG services do that.

    I like your focus on grading....and I would add an emphasis on the world coin market.

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would suggest looking at as many coins as possible.

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Learn to grade coins properly and how to spot problem coins. I'd also recommend joining a coin club and finding a dealer/mentor who can help you with spotting quality.
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  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    Find a different career, you'd have a higher probability of success in the NFL
  • NicNic Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: joebb21

    The difference between seeing coins raw vs. in a holder is tremendous and I believe something many younger people dont see as much




    Great post!



    Even some very large and/or older collectors (sp) never do.



  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    With the Internet:

    - it's not hard to learn how to grade well enough to make smart decisions

    - it's not hard to make this hobby a side-business when you have a main source of stable income

    Thus I conclude that there is absolutely no benefit in joining this hobby as a full time player.
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 291fifth

    Unless you have the financial ability to play in the very high end of the market forget about a career in coin dealing. Use of coins in everyday transactions may very well cease within the next twenty-five years. When (if) that happens interest in coin collecting will plummet among the general population. The only players left will be the very wealthy with strong historical interests and they aren't going to be looking for "ordinary" collector coins.







    I respectfully disagree. When gold coins stopped being produced interest in collecting them soared even though production ceased. Silver coins as well. Taste for modern art is far different than art a few centuries ago but that market certainly has not suffered. This idea that if we move away from coins or currency (a big if in our lifetime) people will be so simplistic to not want to collect coins anymore---I believe is just wrong. In fact, an end of coins could very well spark a surge in collecting.

  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    Learn how to grade and authenticate vs. just being a "trader."
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  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: bidask

    Originally posted by: MrEureka

    I started collecting coins at 5, 50 years ago. For that entire half century, the best advice you could give a YN looking for a career in numismatics was that he should focus on grading.



    Today, I think it might be better advice to encourage kids to focus on authentication.



    Agreed?
    The TPG services do that.



    I like your focus on grading....and I would add an emphasis on the world coin market.









    I agree with grading and world coins 1000%.



    The US is a mature economy and the US coin market is mature as well. Got to go to "emerging markets" to find the new up and comers! Brazil Russia India China are some good places to start and a good way to learn how to grade different coins and find other cool designs for a fraction of the price of what you can find in the US.



    As a collector in my late 20's, my collection is about 50% US and 50% foreign and its a great way to cherrypick on eBay or at a LCS, not get burnt out focusing on only 1 series and diversifying your collection.



  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Find a really good mentor and suck their brains dry.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,605 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have fun at work, with coins. Don't buy for yourself. Buy for others. Authenticity is as imperative as the relationships built, along the path in numismatics. And there's never a guarantee. image Well, with that (guarantee) , I mean there is always the great "caveat".

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MrE, you comment on authentication suggests to me an experience with either a really good fake which might have surprised you.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Boosibri
    MrE, you comment on authentication suggests to me an experience with either a really good fake which might have surprised you.


    You have a good memory. Yes, I did mention something like that a while back. But this thread was motivated by far more than one coin. My thinking is that as counterfeiting becomes a bigger problem, the fight against counterfeiters will become more important, and experts will be paid accordingly.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I reread my comment...gotta stop posting from my phone.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    I started collecting coins at 5, 50 years ago. For that entire half century, the best advice you could give a YN looking for a career in numismatics was that he should focus on grading.

    Today, I think it might be better advice to encourage kids to focus on authentication.

    Agreed?


    Agree.

    TPG grades are guaranteed.

    Counterfeit coins and slabs are not.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once at a show I was set up at a few of us were standing around during a lull. Retail Sales had been horrible and I knew when show over I would be in the red. A guy asked if anybody did this for a full time living. We all laughed and said no.
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