Numismatic Legends, Myths, and Rumors.
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There are plenty out there. Some well known, some not. Some akin to big fish tales, others grounded in detailed research.
What is a legend, myth, rumor that you hope/believe/know/wish was true?
PS: Over/Under on 2 post before a certain coin from the 1960s with questionable legality pops up.
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-Paul
At that level of numismatics, I feel the need to satisfy the hoi polloi with confirmation just for the sanctimonious is not a top priority for either of them . . .
Drunner
Drunner
Uh . . . right, guys.
I listened at the time . . . but your credibility . . . . ?????
Drunner
Is it true??? Can anyone attest to seeing it?
Drunner
It is not without cause to believe that some of the 1894-S dimes made under his administration could have been shared with friends/relatives in N.Y. after he relocated to California and was appointed Superintendent of the San Francisco Mint in 1893.
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They DO exist......
If you are talking about the 1964-D Peace dollar, please provide us with documentation and rumors or hear-say doesn't count. The U S Treasury said they were all destroyed.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Is it true the portrait (Washington -- like the $1 note) on the 197(4)??? Federal gas coupon, when copied, will actuate change machines, car washes, etc . . .and that is why the government so eagerly sought out the purloined sheets from the CO destruction ???
Drunner
I'm not sure about that, but according to numismatic expert and legend David Letterman, a photograph of Barbara Bush will operate dollar bill changers.
[Disclaimer: Before I get deluged with nasty comments, and for the record, I admire Barbara Bush. I am just reporting what I saw.]
Is it true the portrait (Washington -- like the $1 note) on the 197(4)??? Federal gas coupon, when copied, will actuate change machines, car washes, etc . . .and that is why the government so eagerly sought out the purloined sheets from the CO destruction ???
Drunner
I'm not sure about that, but according to numismatic expert and legend David Letterman, a photograph of Barbara Bush will operate dollar bill changers.
[Disclaimer: Before I get deluged with nasty comments, and for the record, I admire Barbara Bush. I am just reporting what I saw.]
David Letterman was a comedian or at least tried to be a comedian so I'm sure it was just a joke.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
They DO exist......
If you are talking about the 1964-D Peace dollar, please provide us with documentation and rumors or hear-say doesn't count. The U S Treasury said they were all destroyed.
The USTreasury also thought they melted all the 1933 $20 Saints too.
They probably thought they got all the 1974 aluminum cents back as well.
They DO exist......
If you are talking about the 1964-D Peace dollar, please provide us with documentation and rumors or hear-say doesn't count. The U S Treasury said they were all destroyed.
The USTreasury also thought they melted all the 1933 $20 Saints too.
They probably thought they got all the 1974 aluminum cents back as well.
As far as the 1933 Saint and the 1974 aluminum cent goes, the treasury never claimed they were ALL melted. Rather. the treasury stated they were illegal to own thus recognizing that a few escaped. The 1974 aluminum cents were passed out to numerous politicians and the treasury knew that several were never recovered when they asked for them back. I'll believe that the 1964 Peace dollar exists when one is actually produced and verified by a prominent numismatist. The fact that no one has collected the $10,000 reward from David Hall speaks volumes. Certainly arrangements could be made to anonymously show David Hall this coin outside the US.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'll believe that the 1964 Peace dollar exists when one is actually produced and verified by a prominent numismatist. The fact that no one has collected the $10,000 reward from David Hall speaks volumes. Certainly arrangements could be made to anonymously show David Hall this coin outside the US.
Actually, if David Hall were offering a $250K-$1 MILL "reward" for the coin and no one came forward that would speak volumes. $10,000 is no different than offering $1. That doesn't speak with any authority. Would you risk the loss of your 1964-d Peace dollar worth in the $500K to $3 MILL range for a measly $10K? Once DH verified the existence do you think he would then speak out publicly about seeing it, and risk being forced to testify in front of a government grand jury, and/or imprisoned/fined if he didn't reveal the owner/middleman? An owner would have to be insane to take such a risk. Why would an owner want to give the govt more reason to increase surveillance/search for the missing coin(s)? It took the govt 10 years or so to get interested in the confiscation of 1933 Saints in the 1940's. Why give them more reason to step up the search for owners of 64-d Peace dollars?
Coin Week article on 1930's gold reserve act
Based on the references in the above article it would seem the mint was well aware in the later 1930's and early 1940's that 1933 saints were visibly in the market for years, and probably legally obtained. Famous collector, Secretary of the Treasury William Woodin supposedly had 5 of these in his possession while serving as SOT (1933) and after FDR's Exec Order was released. By the 1940's and into the 1950's the Federal govt was hot on the trail of all collectors who might own one of these. No one seemed to care in the mid to later 1930's. That suggests to me that they were possibly obtained legally or Treasury officials "assumed" they melted them all. Who is going to argue that Woodin obtained his coin(s) illegally?
Rumor has it that there are a couple Morgan dollars struck on double eagle planchets.
Never heard that one. Does the story have a reason? A mint employee getting cute I assume?
Rumor has it that there are a couple Morgan dollars struck on double eagle planchets.
Never heard that one. Does the story have a reason? A mint employee getting cute I assume?
Could be, this goes hand in hand with the few examples of Indian Head cents struck on quarter eagle plans that have been on the market lately. Same time period, late 1800's, same goofball employees experimenting with different goofball strikes. It is just a rumor though
i hope the unc s-79 comes to light.
if i am fortunate enough to contribute, let it be so.
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Is it true the portrait (Washington -- like the $1 note) on the 197(4)??? Federal gas coupon, when copied, will actuate change machines, car washes, etc . . .and that is why the government so eagerly sought out the purloined sheets from the CO destruction ???
Drunner
I can tell you from personal experience (with 17+ years in the video arcade business) that I have seen something similar. It was possible to cut the portrait of Lincoln from a $5 bill and glue it over Washington on a $1, resulting in $5.00 in change and a damaged $5 you could swap at any bank for one with a portrait. This happened to us for a while in the early to mid 90's, with Rowe BC-25 and BC-35 bill changers. Rowe finally came out with the BC-3500, which looked at more than just the portrait and the problem was solved. The BC-25 would also take photocopies if they were clear enough, as the toner then was magnetic just like the ink on genuine notes.
Rumor has it that there are a couple Morgan dollars struck on double eagle planchets.
Never heard that one. Does the story have a reason? A mint employee getting cute I assume?
Could be, this goes hand in hand with the few examples of Indian Head cents struck on quarter eagle plans that have been on the market lately. Same time period, late 1800's, same goofball employees experimenting with different goofball strikes. It is just a rumor though
Yeah totally possible. With the diameter differences that would be a damn cool coin.
Further, I suspect there are other numismatic rarities hiding just waiting to be found.
And holding such a beliefs will leave to comments about believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. And I am okay with that.
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How could it be or not be authenticated? Since there are no others to reference it to, like die markers, etc.
I could see melting down a couple hundred 1964-D quarters for the alloy so the trace elements (beyond 90% silver and 10% copper) would match a TXRF.
Imagine the possibilities of a night time operator at the mint; off-metal, off-center, double denominations, etc...
Or stamping a dime on a nail.