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GRANDAM

I understand what you are saying but...My Monster Toned Coins will remain as monster toned coins until I sell them because I am confident in my climate controlled stable storage for these slabbed coins. As for what happens 50 years down the road, after a few owners, don't know don't care. I will have been dead a very long time by then.



I believe most are stable(including mine) but there are certainly a few that are not.



Edit: Something can tone over a period of 6 months to a year...or 10-20 years due to the environment the coin is stored in. If you remove the coin from the unstable environment and provide it with a stable environment, it is likely to stop toning...for the most part at least.

MonsterCoinz

A lot of what you see in the market has had it's tarnish accelerated. What the long term effects will be, we can only guess. Many coins have also been toned for 100-150 years and probably haven't changed much in the last few decades if properly stored.



What I'm saying is, naturally toned coins are, and have always been, a safe bet. Those that looked for a quick fix to get a coin into a slab will likely experience long term effects of the methods used.

TomB

Coins do not tone in a vacuum (literally). You need an environment that is conducive to toning. If you remove naturally toned coins from the environment that causes the toning then the toning stops.

DollarAfterDollar

What he said.

If a coin has been encapsulated properly and sees no fresh air it's toning will be arrested and it shouldn't change any over the next 1000 years. If it's in an environment where compounds that produce toning are present, then it stands to reason some effect will occur.

SeattleSlammer

Not to hex myself here....the majority of my collection is toned in one way or another. I've owned slabbed toners for over a decade and noticed no change whatsoever in their colors or vibrancy. Of course slabs aren't completely air-tight, and an especially humid storage environment likely wouldn't be good....but still, I think that the collectors coming long after us will appreciate the same eye appeal that we see today.

At least some evidence of this stability (at least within the roughly 30 years of slabbing) is seen with rainbow toners found in OGH plastic. But I suppose that unless you've owned the coin for the entire time of its entombment, nothing is absolutely certain...

BStrauss3

Global warming will release multiple gasses into the atmosphere and they're all going to tone black.

Hey. Maybe we can create a market like they did for Chocolate Diamonds.

davewesen

Originally posted by: BStrauss3
Global warming will release multiple gasses into the atmosphere and they're all going to tone black.

Hey. Maybe we can create a market like they did for Chocolate Diamonds.

He was asking about in the next 50 years - in most cases, the toning source or agent has been removed when it gets encapsulated.

BAJJERFAN

Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer

Not to hex myself here....the majority of my collection is toned in one way or another. I've owned slabbed toners for over a decade and noticed no change whatsoever in their colors or vibrancy. Of course slabs aren't completely air-tight, and an especially humid storage environment likely wouldn't be good....but still, I think that the collectors coming long after us will appreciate the same eye appeal that we see today.



At least some evidence of this stability (at least within the roughly 30 years of slabbing) is seen with rainbow toners found in OGH plastic. But I suppose that unless you've owned the coin for the entire time of its entombment, nothing is absolutely certain...

How many years did those spend in a canvas bag and that's the worst that happened to them?

AmazonX

Ebay sellers will adjust and talk about the beautiful charcoals, dark greys, jet, obsidian and dark slate colors. The trend will be to take rainbow toned coins and wrap them in Chipotle napkins so they tone black. Us past collectors will be looked upon as being backwards for trying to slowdown the toning process.

bolivarshagnasty

"If a coin has been encapsulated properly and sees no fresh air it's toning will be arrested and it shouldn't change any over the next 1000 years. If it's in an environment where compounds that produce toning are present, then it stands to reason some effect will occur."



While 98% of my toned coins have remained stable while I've owned them, I submit this example as one that continued to tone while in the PCGS holder. Completely red when I purchased it, it has turned green across Liberty's breast area. Actually prefer the after condition to the before condition, as green is always a plus on toners IMO.









Shot new photos of this one earlier this year. Doesn't appear to be changing much in the last 4 years.

ShadyDave

I'm very interested in this topic, but since there are OGH holders older that are older than I am, I don't have the experience of a longer time-frame some other collectors have to see it for myself. I get that many coins are "helped" along, but what about more naturally toned coins over a long time; end roll toners, bag toned, coin cabinet toning, tissue paper toning, old album toning, old white ANACS or PCI toned coins...can people speak to whether those would be "stable" or does it depend on the coin and the environment?

TomB

Originally posted by: ShadyDave

I'm very interested in this topic, but since there are OGH holders older that are older than I am, I don't have the experience of a longer time-frame some other collectors have to see it for myself. I get that many coins are "helped" along, but what about more naturally toned coins over a long time; end roll toners, bag toned, coin cabinet toning, tissue paper toning, old album toning, old white ANACS or PCI toned coins...can people speak to whether those would be "stable" or does it depend on the coin and the environment?

I answered the question of stability in my first post in this thread.

coindeuce

"What did these BLACK Trade Dollars look like 50 years ago? "



Q: What did these Trade Dollars trade for 50 years ago,(excepting date rarities, mind you) regardless of color ?



A: Mostly under $10. Get it ?



IOW, can you buy any color of Trade Dollar for under $10 today ? I think not.

Nic

The long term outcome has worked great for me.

roadrunner

Beautiful original skin 80% white or fairly deeply toned coins that I saw or owned in the 1975-1986 period are no different today than they were back then. They all entered slabs in the 1987-1989 era. 30-40 years and I can't see any darkening of the toning. Some of those I owned over 20 years and they sat in a SDB with some "metal safe" tabs. I suppose that the inert slab holders would do a great job too. All those coins have probably never been dipped in their life times.



Now recently dipped coins are another story....especially if they were not properly rinsed. I'd had some sit in my same SDB environment and slowly turn to neutral browns and golden yellows over 7-12 years. It could take decades for that process to grind to a halt.

WildIdea

I'm reserving the right to be knocked out by any coin at any time. I'm always reminded that some coins are just nicer than I could have ever imagined until I have seen them. Both toned coins and blast white, as well as new, unknown error types, etc. I don't see the point of declaring that I just don't buy X or Y anything. I like them all and own both.

With that said, Id be just as worried my white coins would darken as much as my toners if stored wrong.

When you say MONSTER I believe you are referring to the top of the line and exquisite results of natures handiwork. The best of all conceived of known toning on any particular denom, not just run of the mill or average toning. When discussing monsters, well, it's uncharted territory. Passions run high. It triggers something in the heart of a coin collector not fully understood.

I'd say the OP is right that buying a monster may not be the safest bet, nothing in the hobby is a sure thing. If white turns your crank, then sweet! Dip, dip, dip till your luster is washed away. Personally I'm for less dipped first then maybe dip under a short list of reasons.

Well I'm assuming we're talking about silver here, heck, coppers a whole new set of rules. Toning vs BN whatnot, gold too.....there's right looks and wrong. Buy less wrong and you'll be fine but drawing a line between toning/non toning seems weird if you love coins.

ricko

TomB nailed it in his first post...

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Coins do not tone in a vacuum (literally). You need an environment that is conducive to toning. If you remove naturally toned coins from the environment that causes the toning then the toning stops.

Tarnish is a result of contamination...remove the source and tarnish stops. It will commence again if further contaminants are introduced. Cheers, RickO

ShadyDave

Originally posted by: TomB

Originally posted by: ShadyDave

I'm very interested in this topic, but since there are OGH holders older that are older than I am, I don't have the experience of a longer time-frame some other collectors have to see it for myself. I get that many coins are "helped" along, but what about more naturally toned coins over a long time; end roll toners, bag toned, coin cabinet toning, tissue paper toning, old album toning, old white ANACS or PCI toned coins...can people speak to whether those would be "stable" or does it depend on the coin and the environment?

I answered the question of stability in my first post in this thread.

TomB- Thanks for the insight.



Brian- Thanks for your experience as well.



I guess storing it in a neutral environment is key, but I plan on keeping an eye on my hoard to see if any coins do show toning progression...time will tell.

291fifth

It probably depends on how they are stored (holdered). As an example, back in 1991 I purchased a group of 1962 mint sealed proof sets for use in a coin club 500th meeting souvenir. The coins were placed in Capital Plastics lucite holders and, in the case of my example, not touched since. The coins were all 100% bright when placed in the holder. Today the half has some attractive rim toning while the quarter is just starting to develop light toning. The other coins are still bright. In a second example, in late 2001 I purchased an uncirculated roll of 1962 Frankin Halves for use in the coin club's 40th Anniversary souvenir. In early December, 2001 they were slabbed by SEGS with a special inscription on the label and were given to the members in February at the 40th Anniversary meeting. All of the coins were 100% bright when slabbed. Today, more than 14 years later the coin I received is still 100% bright - no toning evident at all. The 1962 Franklin Half in the SEGS holder still looks just as it did when minted 54 years ago. Storage does make a difference.