Question for the Indian Head Cent experts..

I just picked up this 1885 Indian Head Cent. The coin is raw and I don't have it in hand yet, but from what the sellers photos look like and what I can compare to HA photos, this looks like it could be a proof to me. What do you think?
If it is a proof, what grade would you guess?
I will photograph it once I receive it.
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Rick will be able to tell you for certain.
As for grade, I would be hesitant to make a guess from the photos.
If it is a proof, pics like that one do a great job of hiding hairlines.
be along for the expert input. Cheers, RickO
By the way, what are the odds that a die pair was used to strike proofs, then re-married to strike business strike coins? I just have no idea about this series.
Matt
The Penny Lady®
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Lacks squared rims and strike isn't quite as sharp as I'd expect.
Can't say it's doctored. Some of the obv surfaces look to have the orange peel effect, which would be indicative of proofs....or acid etched business strikes. If the surfaces aren't altered, it could grade 64/65.
The first set are using a standard lighting setup to reveal the surfaces.
Here it is with axial lighting that does somewhat hide the surface issues. Personally, if I was selling this coin, it would get a complete and full disclosure.
Oh well, it was worth a try and it is one of the reasons why I will only buy from a dealer with a return policy.
Lance.
From the original pictures, I was pretty sure it wasn't a proof. Pretty positive.
From your new pics, I would agree with the harsh cleaning. Do not look like die polish, but definitely a harsh cleaning.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Here is a link to a zoomify file of a full resolution detail shot of the lower part of the obverse.
1885 Zoomify