1861 CSA Half Dime
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Here's a piece that I think is interesting: the "A United South" half dime by A.O.P. Sehorn of Murfreesboro, Tenn. Here's the text from the April 1878 American Journal of Numismatics:
Give that these ended up with a cavalry commander and general from Tennessee, is it plausible that Sehorn was distributing these to CSA military?
Originally posted by: American Journal of Numismatics on April 1878
Mr. P.S. Jones of Memphis writes us, saying that he has in his possession a silver five-cent piece, which he got the day after the battle of Perryville, Ky., October 9, 1862, when he was commanding a company in the Kentucky cavalry service. ... We are informed that the latter piece was struck by A.O.P. Sehorn of Murfreesboro, Tenn., and that the dies were destroyed several years ago. Its size is 9, American scale. One of these tokens, for it is not a coin, was presented to the Boston Numismatic Society, at a recent meeting, by Gen. G.P. Thruston of Nashville, Tenn.
Mr. P.S. Jones of Memphis writes us, saying that he has in his possession a silver five-cent piece, which he got the day after the battle of Perryville, Ky., October 9, 1862, when he was commanding a company in the Kentucky cavalry service. ... We are informed that the latter piece was struck by A.O.P. Sehorn of Murfreesboro, Tenn., and that the dies were destroyed several years ago. Its size is 9, American scale. One of these tokens, for it is not a coin, was presented to the Boston Numismatic Society, at a recent meeting, by Gen. G.P. Thruston of Nashville, Tenn.
Give that these ended up with a cavalry commander and general from Tennessee, is it plausible that Sehorn was distributing these to CSA military?
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General Thruston's full name is: General Gates Phillips Thruston.
From the Davidson County, TN Archives.
Still searching for full names of Jones and Sehorn.
A REBEL HALF DIME: The Columbus (Ga.) Enguirer says: "Not long since a short statement was made in this paper of a Confederate silver quarter-dollar, and mentioned it was the first we had ever heard of such a coin, we have received from P. Sid Jones, of Memphis, Tenn., agent of the Millburn Wagon Company, a note in which he states that he has in his possession a silver 5-cent piece which he got the day after the battle of Perryville, KY., Oct. 9, 1862, when he was commanding a company in the Kentucky cavalry service. He thus describes the piece: In diameter it is about half an inch and of the thickiness of a silver 3-cent piece. On one side are stamped around the margin 'A UNITED SOUTH,' and a Confederate flag, flying from a staff, and the figures 1861. On the reverse, appears 15 stars around the margin, and a cotton stalk, with leaves, bloom, and boll.
Here's some information on a P. S. Jones that was born in Tennessee, participated in "the late Rebellion" and then became VP of a bank in Kansas. Still looking for his full name but we have more to go on now.
http://www.kancoll.org/books/cutler/morris/morris-co-p9.html
https://morriscountyhistory.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Cutlers-History-of-the-State-of-Kansas-no-format.pdf
He's also mentioned on page 2 of The Council Grove Republican from Council Grove, Kansas as bank VP.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/67416944/
Here are two articles from CoinWorld on the discovery of a 3rd reverse die, the Bradford Haynes specimen, found metal detecting on the site of the Battle of Stone's River. It's also mentioned that John J. Ford Jr. had two specimens, EF holed and AU unholed, the unholed one being the Donald Groves Partrick specimen.
Here are some photos of the site of the Battle of Stone's River where this specimen was found along with the Wikipedia article:
@Zoins ....Thanks for the updates on these interesting pieces. I have long been intrigued by civil war history... started when I was a young Boy Scout at the National Jamboree in Valley Forge, PA. A couple of people actually found old musket balls in the camps. Cheers, RickO
Somewhat interesting.
Since there is no denomination on the token, it is speculative to call it a half dime.
The September 2016 Coin World article describes 13 stars on the reverse, but does not include a reverse photo.
The August 2017 Coin World article describes 13 stars on the reverse, but the photo shows 14, with possibly a 15th obscured by the hole.
Here are another two auctioned by Heritage in July 2017:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/confederate-states-of-america/1861-dated-confederate-half-dime-a-united-south-dewitt-sullivan-c-1861-2-holed-ngc-details-fine/a/1257-3341.s
"Holed as are the majority of the eight to 12 known examples. This piece is the fifth example that we have offered since the January 2015 Donald Groves Partrick sale. We had never handled one prior to the Partrick sale."
https://coins.ha.com/itm/confederate-states-of-america/1861-dated-confederate-half-dime-a-united-south-dewitt-sullivan-c-1861-2-holed-ngc-details-xf/a/1257-3340.s?ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115
Yosclimber with that logic an 1883 V nickel wound be speculative to call a nickel?
I'm guessing weight would be more important that diameter here. This was produced by a Confederate jeweler in Tennessee, not a US Mint facility after all.
While it was described as a half dime in the 19th century and it may or may not be one, US Mint coin diameters may not be the best criteria here.
The Partrick coin was in my Confederate collection. I had purchased it from token dealer Rich Hartzog because I had never seen one unholed. Later after mentioning to John Ford that I had an unholed one he offered to buy it when I broke up my collection as he had not seen another one. He referred to it as a “Trime” and then went into his collection.
It's great that you owned the Partrick specimen! A Trime is certain closer at 14mm whereas this one is 13mm. Do you know any other information on this piece?
V = 5 in Roman numerals, so that works as a denomination for me.
Breen's Encyclopedia (1988), p. 666:
I haven't seen a weight listed for it, although it does appear to be near coin silver - 86% silver, 13% copper in the January 2015 auction description.
Was JJF a cheapskate when you tried to sell it to him?
John was always fair with me as I found a lot of things he wanted and he knew that so he never argued with my prices.