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Talking about 1943-s steel , are retained cuds on the reverse tough?

RealoneRealone Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
By left wheats and rim. Not talking where a chunk of die has fallen out retained, but there is a displacement all the way through it....will get photos when meet with Mr Goodman soon, just not soon enough. Saw the thread about a gorgeous toned ms67 and it reminded me of my piece.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    do you have a decent camera phone?



    as a rule, i think that cuds, retained or otherwise are scarcer for steelies generally but ive had numerous steelies retained and cud. usually they are problem coins.



    it really boils down to a coin-by-coin basis.



    info on scarcity can be tough as from my experience, it is about experience/conversation to be accurate about rarity, more so than a lot of other stuff.



    i'd say the S mints are scarcer overall than p or d but im confident about plenty of exceptions.

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  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭


    David Lange in his "Complete guide to Lincoln Cents" states:



    The San Francisco Mint produced a great many cud varieties.

    Some 16 are known for the obverse, 4 of them retained breaks.

    There are ten reported for the reverse, all but two of them

    retained. One variety features a mating of one obv. & one

    reverse cud.



    For 1943-P no less than 30 obv cuds have been documented,

    5 of them retained. There are 13 for the rev., all but three

    retained



    1943-D only a single obv. cud is documented.
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't realize that there were 10 different
    Reverse Retained Cuds for the steel cents;

    I'd say finding them in a nice MS grade,
    with no corrosion or rust would be the tough part.
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At one time, long lost forum member Stone (Winston) was doing research on these, and I donated a mint state 43P with a large
    reverse retained cud, to help him with his project.



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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Realone
    My example is an ms67 in an old no line fatty ngc holder untoned and immaculate. Sorry will get a photo in couple of weeks to show.


    Do you have the cert number, NGC may have a bad scan on their verification page from when slabbed?
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Realone

    Originally posted by: davewesen

    Originally posted by: Realone

    My example is an ms67 in an old no line fatty ngc holder untoned and immaculate. Sorry will get a photo in couple of weeks to show.




    Do you have the cert number, NGC may have a bad scan on their verification page from when slabbed?




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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have an old roll of '43 steel cents... got it about 20 years ago... should open it and look

    at them.... Cheers, RickO

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