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Unofficial poll....where should the 1916-2016 gold copies appear in the Redbook?

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
After the end of each design being copied? The gold Kennedy halves are listed amidst the ongoing Kennedy series.



In a section with the 2009 gold double eagle?



Other? Explain
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that anything that the U.S. Mint produces goes into the Redbook.



    Not saying that I agree with it, but...



    I would think that they should go into the commemorative section, and put the Kennedy in the commem section as well.



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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either with commems or with the 2009 DE.

    With the primary series like the Kennedy seems plain silly!

    They are not even made in the same metal and the designs are different.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a new section titled "NCLT garbage".image
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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    since they don't have a trash bin section they should go with the commemoratives.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great question. Gold Bullion Section between gold spouse and Ultra High Relief, as a denomination. It's 3/4 oz. and the only logical place for it, in my view. (re: pg 368 in 2016 Red Book) . I think that bears noting. Or, correct me if this is illogical thinking.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no, stick to just the coins.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The last time I saw Ken Bressett I suggested a section called "Folderol," but he did not think that too likely. Might see him later this week and wanted to have some suggestions for him.
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They belong right with the original series... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves.

    That is what these coins will be... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves, just with a different metallic composition.

    Just like the gold 2014 Kennedy Half, it belongs with the rest of the Kennedy halves as it's a Kennedy half dollar, just one with a different metallic composition. Had they issued the coin with a different denomination or a significantly different size, then maybe list it in a different section.

    That was the case with the ATB 5oz. Bullion Quarters. Maybe those should have been listed right with the other quarters as well, but the significant change in size was a fair argument to move them to the bullion section.

    A change in metallic composition alone shouldn't put these coins in a different section. A reintroduction of a coin by the U.S. Mint after many years shouldn't put the coins in a different section either.

    Sure, there is an argument to list them w/ bullion coins, but I think that since the coins will have the same size (or very close) and the same denomination as the classic coins, they belong w/ the series that are being reissued. In any event, they should NOT be listed as commemoratives as they are not commemorative issues.

  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Make a new section in the way back - call it "Flipper's Fancy Fantasies" image

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's already listed with the Kennedy notating it being the first HALF DOLLAR gold. Where are the specs on it ?
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Had this had been an official poll, I would have checked the (*) Yes box

    It's a coin produced by the US Mint.
    It should be in the modern gold commemoratives section
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the Modern Commemorative section - I doubt many kids with a Kennedy half dollar collection are going to include a gold one - do modern albums have a spot for the 1998S matte proof?
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Simply because the coin is issued for an anniversary and/or because it's a different metallic composition, does NOT automatically make the coin a "commemorative."

    Remember that the U.S. Mint made a special dime for the 50th anniversary of the Roosevelt Dime, the 1996-W dime that was included in Mint Sets. That one is listed right along with the rest of the Roosevelt Dimes right where it should be listed. Had they issued that anniversary coin in 90% silver or any other metal composition, it would be (and should be) in the same spot too.

    The Mint also made special 2009 cents for the 100th anniversary of the Lincoln cent with a different metallic composition than the regular issue coins. Those too are listed right with the rest of the Lincoln Cents as they should be.

    The 50th Anniversary Kennedy Halves (issued in gold, silver and clad), and the 100th anniversary of the 1916 issues (issued in gold) also belong with their respective original series.

    I understand this is difficult for some collectors given that they are made of gold and are of a much higher value than most other coins in the series... but if these were issued in clad or 90% silver I think the decision to keep them with their original series would be far less controversial.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin

    It's already listed with the Kennedy notating it being the first HALF DOLLAR gold. Where are the specs on it ?




    I have pointed out this omission to Ken and Phil Bressett.
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin

    Great question. Gold Bullion Section between gold spouse and Ultra High Relief, as a denomination. It's 3/4 oz. and the only logical place for it, in my view. (re: pg 368 in 2016 Red Book) . I think that bears noting. Or, correct me if this is illogical thinking.




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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: illini420
    They belong right with the original series... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves.

    That is what these coins will be... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves, just with a different metallic composition.

    Just like the gold 2014 Kennedy Half, it belongs with the rest of the Kennedy halves as it's a Kennedy half dollar,




    The Kennedy was easy because the series was not yet obsolete.

    But does it make sense to list a 2016 Walker before the earlier Franklin and Kennedy series?
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    Originally posted by: illini420
    They belong right with the original series... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves.

    That is what these coins will be... Mercury Dimes, Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves, just with a different metallic composition.

    Just like the gold 2014 Kennedy Half, it belongs with the rest of the Kennedy halves as it's a Kennedy half dollar,




    The Kennedy was easy because the series was not yet obsolete.

    But does it make sense to list a 2016 Walker before the earlier Franklin and Kennedy series?



    Very good point. In thinking about it more, if they quit making the Roosevelt Dime and reissued the Mercury Dime for regular circulation, I would guess the Redbook would probably just start a new section after the Roosevelts that would be Mercury Dimes (2016-Date) instead of listing them before w/ the older coins.

    Wherever these new gold issues are ultimately issued, I think there should at least be a mention of them somewhere on the pages with the original series at a minimum. Maybe in the intro paragraph? maybe at the end of the series with a note to see page ____ where they may be listed elsewhere?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They belong in the Gold Commemorative section... as should be the Kennedy Half..Cheers, RickO
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ricko

    They belong in the Gold Commemorative section... as should be the Kennedy Half..Cheers, RickO




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