Need help grading a couple Seated coins

ajaan

I have an old Photograde, and I've looked at the PCGS online grading, but I still would like to opinions of the more experienced seated coinage collectors on the grade of these coins.



#1 1872 Dollar







Looking at the grading guides I think this should grade G4



#2 1854 ARR 50c

I know this coin has some problems, but what is the details grade for it, no net grading please.







Here is a PCGS XF40 for comparison (PCGS online Photograde image)







TIA

LindeDad

3 & XF.

BillJones

I would grade the first AG-3. The reverse is bit weak, but it's got too much meat to call it a Fair-02.

The second one has VF-35 to EF-40 sharpness, but it's got silver corrosion, and someone tried to clean it improperly. I'd say the net grade for pricing would be Fine, but a lot of collectors would probably want a straight Fine graded piece instead of that one. I know a lot of people would say that should be sold as VF, but I think that's pushing it.

BustHalfBrian

AG and XF-Details

jesbroken

AG03 and VF35.

Barndog

AG and XF

Flatwoods

I agree with Ag-3 and XF

ajaan

hmmm . . . I thought the reverse may have been strong enough to get a G4 grade on the dollar. I guess ownership does add a point. Thanks.

bigjpst

AG 3

VF Details

guitarwes

Originally posted by: jesbroken

AG03 and VF35.

my grades also

TopographicOceans

Originally posted by: guitarwes

Originally posted by: jesbroken
AG03 and VF35.

my grades also

+1

roadrunner

G4 on the 1872$. Full enough rim imo. It's not that easy to find an uncleaned "good" seated dollar for a type set. Most are cleaned or banged up. And because of that, I wouldn't expect much difference in pricing between a strong AG3 and a weak Good4. It spent some time sliding around in a wooden box or something.



XF details on the 1854 half. Could have easily been XF45/AU50 details before it was stripped.



Very nearly an AU50 on the 1841-0 half. Lots of luster. Call it XF45. Those tend to come a bit weakly struck. Tougher date. And this is one is mostly original looking.

RichieURich

G4 on the Seated dollar for the reasons stated by Roadrunner.



The 1854 half doesn't have enough neckline to make XF in my opinion, so I would go with VF-35.

roadrunner

Drat. I just noticed the 1841-0 half was a PCGS slabbed coin. Well, as an XF40 that's a pretty conservative grade imo for that much luster. PCGS tends to be tough when there are strike issues on seated coins. The neckline on that 1841-0 is weak due to strike. The plateau on her right leg is 1/2 from strike as well. The luster says what grade it should be.



The feather details on the 1854 are up to XF+ standards. Miss Liberty's arms are rounded and her hair detail is very sharp. That doesn't fit my definition of VF. The coin may have been acid dipped or once scrubbed to give it that odd look. It's net value is probably VF "something."

golden

Originally posted by: bigjpst
AG 3
VF Details