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Opinions on the Morgan error please...

OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
Been laid up for a couple of weeks due to a hip replacement so I thought it would be a good opportunity to sort through potential eBay stuff.

I came across this Morgan that I purchased quite some time ago and finally took a good look at it. I recall purchasing it as a struck through error. But, now that I've looked at it closely, the devices are too sharp in the affected area to have been struck through some material leading me to believe it's a planchet flaw. Opinions welcome.

Cheers

Bob

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭✭
    planchet void

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Detached lamination?

    Whatever, it's cool for sure. Look at all that wear and nobody pulled it...just wow!

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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting Morgan on how the strike pushed on through.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know, Bob. That puzzles me as well. How did this circulate for so long without being pulled?
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Because there is lettering in the area of the error, I'm thinking detached lamination. The metal was there at the time of striking and later separated.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: cmerlo1

    Because there is lettering in the area of the error, I'm thinking detached lamination. The metal was there at the time of striking and later separated.




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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
    Originally posted by: cmerlo1
    Because there is lettering in the area of the error, I'm thinking detached lamination. The metal was there at the time of striking and later separated.


    +1
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  • COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Detached lamination
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Detached lamination?

    Whatever, it's cool for sure. Look at all that wear and nobody pulled it...just wow!

    bobimage




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  • It's cool to see the bronze core
    Mark Anderson
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mark (indented) through the letters puzzles me....

    Coinstudy, I assume your comment about a bronze core is in jest...

    Cheers, RickO
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ricko

    The mark (indented) through the letters puzzles me....

    Coinstudy, I assume your comment about a bronze core is in jest...

    Cheers, RickO




    When a planchet is struck and metal moves up or down into the obverse or reverse die, there is metal movement deep into the planchet and not just at the very surface. Think about one of those chocolate "coins" where they wrap a disk of chocolate in gold foil and then stamp a design on it. The gold foil conforms to the contour of the die, and so does the chocolate underneath it.



    On a planchet where you have a crack in the metal underlaying one area of the surface at a roughly even depth, when you strike that planchet the partially-detached metal will conform itself to the surface of the die, and the metal below the crack will conform towards the die as well. It is blurred because the metal flow is not even, but near the surface will still be legible as on this coin.



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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Outhaul

    I know, Bob. That puzzles me as well. How did this circulate for so long without being pulled?






    Could be that most people thought it was post mint damage. And so it sat unloved for a long time. These things must have circulated right up into World War 2, literally too common to be noticed. My Dad brought some back with him, mostly lower grades like this one. They were just a "buck" right up until the mid-$1960's. It would have made sense to spend these in 1932 when they only contained 21 cents worth of silver in them.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Planchet delamination.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Coinstudy

    It's cool to see the bronze core




    where do you see that?

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  • PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    Outhaul, interesting coin, And, hope you are having an Good Recovery!
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PRECIOUSMENTAL
    Outhaul, interesting coin, And, hope you are having an Good Recovery!


    Thanks much. I'm driving now and back to work. Doing out-patient PT now.

    Cheers

    Bob
  • If a coin is 90% silver and 10% copper the copper is somewhere. perhaps a black bronze core composed of copper and silver.
    if a coin were 100% silver there would be no need for a laminate.....right? Check out precious metal alloys
    Mark Anderson
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 90% silver and the 10% copper are alloyed in with each other.
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