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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I agree with your final conclusion.
Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.
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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I agree with your final conclusion.
Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.
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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I agree with your final conclusion.
Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.
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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I agree with your final conclusion.
Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.
No good would come of that. In another scenario, their roles would be reversed. In yet other situation, the first grading service might authenticate a coin another grading service later determines to be counterfeit.
I would like to see a picture of the coin, though (raw, if possible).
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I have no proof that the roles could be reversed, in another scenario co A wouldn't need to rely on co B's knowledge to make a determination of what a coin is
I was 100% serious, I would like to receive a PM with the company names and a picture if possible. Thanks.
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a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?
I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A
this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A
I agree with your final conclusion.
Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.
No good would come of that. In another scenario, their roles would be reversed. In yet other situation, the first grading service might authenticate a coin another grading service later determines to be counterfeit.
I would like to see a picture of the coin, though (raw, if possible).
The OP has offered a scenario backed up by actual experience/evidence, thus I would like to know the details of his actual experience.
Your other described scenarios (while possible) are fantasy until supported by evidence. If you have that evidence, I'd be happy to see it as well -- but until then, talk is cheap.
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bob
That just made me laugh.
Would love to know what CAC would say about the coin
Good point. We need an umpire behind home plate.
Would love to know what CAC would say about the coin
Good point. We need an umpire behind home plate.
CAC doesn't authenticate coins, they "agree or disagree" with grades on slabs. Not sure how CAC's opinion would matter.
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Is company "a" Accugrade?
I know you are kidding but are they even still in business?
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I rarely ever send anything in for grading unless it's a stipulation toward finalizing a sale. About 5 years I sent something to service XYZ and it returned as non genuine. A few weeks later I approached their table at a show to inquire why they felt it wasn't and stated my reasoning as to why I felt it was. I was asked to resubmit it with hard facts and researched everything I could find ever written on the item along with photos showing die markers, etc. About 8 weeks later I received notification it was graded and when received back enclosed was a very nice thank you letter from one of the managers.
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WS
I think this scenario can go either way with either party. I bought a coin in a NGC holder not graded due to “Scratches”. I wanted it in a PCGS holder for storage and consistency and bought the coin in the NGC holder with the intention of sending to PCGS and get it in a PCGS Genuine holder. But PCGS graded it claiming it was only album friction. I am sure others have stories to repeat as well. So the point is, grading is not a exact science .Stuff happens!
WS
It's one thing for companies to disagree on whether a coin is problem-free or not, it's something entirely different for companies to not agree on whether a coin is authentic. Your example is apples to oranges here...
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You know what we say in bowling. Trust is a must or your game is a bust. I hope it wasn't a bust half.
A fellow bowler? Been a few years since I heard that and used that one.
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That is a great reason to get coins CACed.
I'm guessing the coin is not common. If it were, then there's no reason for this.
I agree...as Watersport mentioned also grading is a science. I would have thought Company A's grading process would be fully independent and detached from the grade etc. given by Company B and quite possibly the authentication was truly independent the final time. I always thought that for the top tier TPG's the grades etc. on a competitors slab were hidden to the graders, could be wrong on this.
If Company A's process includes a 'Hmmm....Company B gives this authentic coin a X, what should we give it?' type scenario then there is a problem with Company A's process as it introduces other elements than just grading.
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