how would you feel about ...

ebaybuyer

a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?

I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A

this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?



I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A



this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

I agree with your final conclusion.



Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.

keyman64

Originally posted by: brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?



I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A



this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

I agree with your final conclusion.



Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.

+1

jerseycat101

Originally posted by: keyman64

Originally posted by: brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer
a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?

I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A

this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

I agree with your final conclusion.

Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.

+1

+1

ricko

I agree... and also suggest a PM with the names... Thank you... Cheers, RickO

PerryHall

I can guess the grading services in question. You were smart to not name them---if you did we would be planning a going away party for you. LOL

TwoSides2aCoin

You know what we say in bowling. Trust is a must or your game is a bust. I hope it wasn't a bust half.

ebaybuyer

just a theoretical situation of course, although co B will be getting more of my business in the future

messydesk

Originally posted by: brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?



I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A



this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

I agree with your final conclusion.



Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.

No good would come of that. In another scenario, their roles would be reversed. In yet other situation, the first grading service might authenticate a coin another grading service later determines to be counterfeit.



I would like to see a picture of the coin, though (raw, if possible).

ebaybuyer

I have no proof that the roles could be reversed, in another scenario co A wouldn't need to rely on co B's knowledge to make a determination of what a coin is

brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

I have no proof that the roles could be reversed, in another scenario co A wouldn't need to rely on co B's knowledge to make a determination of what a coin is

I was 100% serious, I would like to receive a PM with the company names and a picture if possible. Thanks.

Danye West

I've seen straight-up cleaned Franklins in grading company...let's just call it "P" slabs. I think that the other company is trying to be tougher in general.

brg5658

Originally posted by: messydesk

Originally posted by: brg5658

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

a third party grading company that could not determine authenticity until the coin was re-submitted with the opinion of a competitor ?



I submitted a coin to grading co A and twice it was returned BB due to grading co A not being able to determine authenticity of the coin, then I submitted to grading co B and it was properly identified, then I sent it back to grading co A with the information from grading co B and it was now able to be slabbed by grading co A



this greatly diminishes my confidence in co A

I agree with your final conclusion.



Now if you would just PM the unblinded names of Co A and Co B and pictures of the coin in question.

No good would come of that. In another scenario, their roles would be reversed. In yet other situation, the first grading service might authenticate a coin another grading service later determines to be counterfeit.



I would like to see a picture of the coin, though (raw, if possible).

The OP has offered a scenario backed up by actual experience/evidence, thus I would like to know the details of his actual experience.



Your other described scenarios (while possible) are fantasy until supported by evidence. If you have that evidence, I'd be happy to see it as well -- but until then, talk is cheap.

AUandAG

US coin? Foreign coin? Token? Medal? SCD?





bob

TwoSides2aCoin

I was hoping you would start a thread that read " How would you feel about people laughing at your collection ? "

That just made me laugh.

TopographicOceans

Is company "a" Accugrade?

Gazes

Would love to know what CAC would say about the coin

TwoSides2aCoin

Originally posted by: Gazes
Would love to know what CAC would say about the coin

Good point. We need an umpire behind home plate.

brg5658

Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin

Originally posted by: Gazes

Would love to know what CAC would say about the coin

Good point. We need an umpire behind home plate.

CAC doesn't authenticate coins, they "agree or disagree" with grades on slabs. Not sure how CAC's opinion would matter.

PerryHall

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

Is company "a" Accugrade?

I know you are kidding but are they even still in business?

Broadstruck

I have never heard of one grading company wondering on how another felt about something until now.



I rarely ever send anything in for grading unless it's a stipulation toward finalizing a sale. About 5 years I sent something to service XYZ and it returned as non genuine. A few weeks later I approached their table at a show to inquire why they felt it wasn't and stated my reasoning as to why I felt it was. I was asked to resubmit it with hard facts and researched everything I could find ever written on the item along with photos showing die markers, etc. About 8 weeks later I received notification it was graded and when received back enclosed was a very nice thank you letter from one of the managers.

oih82w8

I am about to test this OP theory myself...hoping for similar results.

Cougar1978

I would not do business with them (Grading Co A).

TwoSides2aCoin

It's almost the same reason people go for second opinions to other doctors, when they're sick. To find out how sick.

joebb21

pics please?

WaterSport

I think this scenario can go either way with either party. I bought a coin in a NGC holder not graded due to “Scratches”. I wanted it in a PCGS holder for storage and consistency and bought the coin in the NGC holder with the intention of sending to PCGS and get it in a PCGS Genuine holder. But PCGS graded it claiming it was only album friction. I am sure others have stories to repeat as well. So the point is, grading is not a exact science .Stuff happens!

WS

brg5658

Originally posted by: WaterSport

I think this scenario can go either way with either party. I bought a coin in a NGC holder not graded due to “Scratches”. I wanted it in a PCGS holder for storage and consistency and bought the coin in the NGC holder with the intention of sending to PCGS and get it in a PCGS Genuine holder. But PCGS graded it claiming it was only album friction. I am sure others have stories to repeat as well. So the point is, grading is not a exact science .Stuff happens!



WS

It's one thing for companies to disagree on whether a coin is problem-free or not, it's something entirely different for companies to not agree on whether a coin is authentic. Your example is apples to oranges here...

AstroJoe

Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin

You know what we say in bowling. Trust is a must or your game is a bust. I hope it wasn't a bust half.

A fellow bowler? Been a few years since I heard that and used that one.

PTVETTER

I have heard that CAC has contacted grading companies when a problem coin comes across CAC desk!



That is a great reason to get coins CACed.

DollarAfterDollar

I wouldn't be so anxious to throw company "A" under the bus. I leave open the possibility that they simply couldn't authenticate the coin the first time around. The second determination (whether aided by company "B"s input or not) fell under different circumstances.

I'm guessing the coin is not common. If it were, then there's no reason for this.

ElKevvo

I wouldn't be so anxious to throw company "A" under the bus.



I agree...as Watersport mentioned also grading is a science. I would have thought Company A's grading process would be fully independent and detached from the grade etc. given by Company B and quite possibly the authentication was truly independent the final time. I always thought that for the top tier TPG's the grades etc. on a competitors slab were hidden to the graders, could be wrong on this.



If Company A's process includes a 'Hmmm....Company B gives this authentic coin a X, what should we give it?' type scenario then there is a problem with Company A's process as it introduces other elements than just grading.



K