1964-D Washington Qtr - RPM / OMM?

StrikeOutXXX

Variety Vista lists 6 RPMs for 1964 D - but their webpage/book isn't loading pictures - If I didn't know any better, I'd call it small D over large D, but don't think any exists. Doesn't seem to match any of the 8 on John Wexler's site either.

Ever seen anything like this, or can you ID it?

LindeDad

Might be a discovery piece but in that low of grade not worth much, now you need to find a MS one.

mannie gray

To me, looks like a combo of strike doubling and several hits on the mintmark.

I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be a cool RPM, but I'm aware if only one size MM used on 64-D quarters.

I'm wanting to see a small/larger D, but just can't quite get there.

Best of luck with it.

oih82w8

Looks like "days of old" when the MM punch for a Half Dollar was used on a Quarter, Dime or Half Dime



-or- vice versa, and then "corrected"



https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-v...-sm-s-25c-fs-501-2177/">1856 S LG/SM S 25C FS-501



-or-



1916 D LG/SM D 25C FS-501

FredWeinberg

It's a very very common 'ejection' or 'mechanical'
doubling on the Mintmark.

Sorry, but it's not a RPM.

This effect is very easily found on what seems to
be the majority of 64-D quarters, and on earlier
dates too.

sparky64

That Fred sure is a thread killer.

And knowledgeable too.



Very dramatic on the mint mark, isn't it.

StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: sparky64
That Fred sure is a thread killer.
And knowledgeable too.

Very dramatic on the mint mark, isn't it.

LOL, Yes, I always sit in anticipation for him to answer some of my posts, knowing that A) I'll get my answer, and The thread will die.

I would consider myself beyond novice in MD/DD detection, and this one had me perplexed. Have to go back and look at the whole coin closer, not focus on the MM so much. Strange to be isolated there.

I'm not sure how "Very Common" these are on the "Majority" of 64-D quarters, I've probably only looked through a few thousand rolls in my lifetime, but don't remember seeing anything like this.

Thanks All!

johnny9434

nice job fred.

FredWeinberg

When they came out in '64, I was 14 years old,
and looked at lots of coins with my magnifying
glass. (good learning experience!)

Maybe it was the distribution pattern here in
Southern Calif., but I recall that most of them
had this type of MM doubling.

And, although to a lesser extent, you'll find
the same effect on other earlier D's.....

oih82w8

Fred, I think you have room on your signature block...



"Thread Killer, Excelsior"



Nothing but extreme admiration!

ProofArtworkonCircs

The Washington quarter reverse is in such low relief that it is almost imune to ejection doubling. That is why sometimes it only shows on the mintmark.

ricko

Thanks Fred... that one would have fooled me... (not claiming to be an expert) ... have looked

at a lot of MM issues, but had never seen one quite like this one. Cheers, RickO

stash

Almost look like the D on my 68-D .
Mines the D in UNITED .....

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StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: ProofArtworkonCircs
The Washington quarter reverse is in such low relief that it is almost imune to ejection doubling. That is why sometimes it only shows on the mintmark.

Makes sense, looking back at the whole coin there is some MD on the coin, but certainly not to the extent the MM got hit. Some of the motto, eagle wings/head, etc. You can see how I would get tunnel vision with that "D" screaming at you "LOOK AT ME" 8-)

Good learning experience.

Few folks PMd for whole coin photos, here you go.

jtlee321

I've come across several that look like that. I came across this one recently that I thought was a triple punched MM. I don't see any other doubling on the quarter at all. It's just very strange.

stash

My 68-D has some wild tripling going on too .

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mannie gray

I'm thinking your 68-D has a doubled master die and maybe also mechanical doubling. Either that or Doubled die/doubled master die.

Cool.

I wish I had your photography skills!

StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: mannie gray
I'm thinking your 68-D has a doubled master die and maybe also mechanical doubling. Either that or Doubled die/doubled master die.
Cool.
I wish I had your photography skills!

That's my feeling on Stash's Quarter as well.

JTLee's - that "D" is like no other I've seen either. I think I should stick to Cents LOL.

LanceNewmanOCC

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the washington series is notorious for this type of thing. on D & S mm. tons of dealers mislabel stuff like this and i mean a lot.

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mannie gray

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

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the washington series is notorious for this type of thing. on D & S mm. tons of dealers mislabel stuff like this and i mean a lot.

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+1

In complete agreement there.

stash

I know my 68-D has RDV-005 Reverse .

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It also has a CCW spread on United States Of .

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It's also has a CW spread on America and Quarter Dollar .

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LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: stash

I know my 68-D has RDV-005 Reverse .

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nice spread on such a date.

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stash

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

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nice spread on such a date.
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I've never seen anything like it before and I'll have to bring it to the coin show in March .
I'm moving up in the world these days and yes, my name is Richard Stachowski .

Noted error-variety coin columnist and author, Ken Potter, will be attending the Polish American Numismatic Society Coin Show February 21, 2016 - 10:00-4:00 PM American Polish Cultural Center in Troy, MI where he and other CONECA Michigan State Representatives along with the aid of CONECA member Richard Stachowski will be offering free error-variety coin examination services. Ken will be there the for the entire show and the others will attend as scheduling permits.

On display will be coinage dies, hubs, collars, punches and other tooling used in the minting process for a hands-on examination. Many of the dies will show errors such as clashed dies, cuds, shattered dies, doubled dies, etc.

Potter will also be offering macro and photomicrography for coins that quality for future articles and will be offering autographed copies of his latest book, Strike It Rich With Pocket Change 4rd Edition that he coauthored with Dr. Brian Allen along with copies of the Cherrypickers' Guide To Rare Die Varieties 5th Edition Volume II, by Bill Fivaz and J.T. Stanton, which as its editor he will also autograph upon request.

Application forms for membership in the Combined Organizations of Numismatic Error Collectors of America along with sample copies of their journal will be available.

Potter asks persons who intend to bring coins for an opinion to limit themselves to about five coins per person. He stated, "We may be able to fudge a bit on the five-coin rule but we cannot render opinions on boxes containing hundreds of coins.”

oih82w8

A friend of mine brought this to my attention in regards to the OP MM.



"I was looking at the 64-D quarter thread where it was thought to be a small/large D and Fred came along and said strike doubling.



I may be wrong, but I disagree. Strike doubling is always a shift one way or another....sometimes 2 if it is a NW or or SE shift,



but this is off on 3 sides. And shifts are always the same size just shifted over. The coin in the thread has 2 different size D’s."



I may have missed an explanation of two different sized "D" smaller over larger, but I don't see how it could be strike doubling.

keyman64

My vote is for machine doubling with a worn die.