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  • TigersFan2
    TigersFan2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
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    "Obv" is both upper and lower-case letters while "REV" is only upper-case letters.
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • Wingsrule
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  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ....didn't know the mint made dollars on small, copper-plated zinc planchets. Cool error(s) though!
  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's not a dollar.
  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Gotta love errors on top of errors.
  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The 61 grade seems odd to me
  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    good grief. are those really filled dies or a super weak strike where the dies barely compressed the flan?



    funny error slab.



    diameter looks too big but it has sharp, formed rims. hmmm.

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  • Tibor
    Tibor Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Is this not a "trial strike" to test striking pressure for a Lincoln cent?
  • Tibor
    Tibor Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Is this not a "trial strike" to test striking pressure for a Lincoln cent?
  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A low pressure strike or "trial strike" will not have the developed rims that this piece has. This example also has design in areas where I would not expect there to be design (the central portion of the memorial) if it was a true low pressure strike.
  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    besides the $1, I feel they messed up and it is an adjustment strike - so you clearly have a mechanical error - did you check the serial numbers near this one to see if a cent is one of them.
  • AmericanaRC
    AmericanaRC Posts: 57 ✭
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    It is very confusing when you don't have the design elements to go by. image
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  • MonsterCoinz
    MonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've seen one 62 Red before, I think. 61 Red seems super low for RD.
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  • AMRC
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    That is a rare Triple Error! The Coin, the REV in caps, and the $1 AND it is cool as S^&%!
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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is the first $1 cent I have seen....image Cheers, RickO
  • Sonorandesertrat
    Sonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "A low pressure strike or "trial strike" will not have the developed rims that this piece has."


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  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Cool Lincoln Cent Dollar image



    I always wonder how these are graded?



    By the trace forehead and bridge of the nose or the rims?
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  • Sonorandesertrat
    Sonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am a bit surprised that it received a grade. Typically, with bare planchets, die adjustment strikes, edge strikes, etc., there isn't much of a basis on which to grade a coin as far as marks are concerned, because so little of it was struck properly. Almost all business-strike planchets look scruffy.
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  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's between a beautiful planchet and an ugly coin that I could love a long time.
  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Sonorandesertrat

    I am a bit surprised that it received a grade. Typically, with bare planchets, die adjustment strikes, edge strikes, etc., there isn't much of a basis on which to grade a coin as far as marks are concerned, because so little of it was struck properly. Almost all business-strike planchets look scruffy.




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    They are like trying spot a polar bear in a snow storm.



    NGC doesn't assign a numerical grade to these, but ANACS and PCGS do.



    There are blank planchet collectors who have drunk the kool-aid and will upgrade from a MS61 to MS62.
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  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Broadstruck
    Originally posted by: Sonorandesertrat
    I am a bit surprised that it received a grade. Typically, with bare planchets, die adjustment strikes, edge strikes, etc., there isn't much of a basis on which to grade a coin as far as marks are concerned, because so little of it was struck properly. Almost all business-strike planchets look scruffy.


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    They are like trying spot a polar bear in a snow storm.

    NGC doesn't assign a numerical grade to these, but ANACS and PCGS do.

    There are blank planchet collectors who have drunk the kool-aid and will upgrade from a MS61 to MS62.


    Kool-Aid would taste better with sour grapes made into whine, for those who drink that way.
  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    eoc, will you tell us if the diameter is kosher. i'd like to not lose any more sleep thinking about it.



    yes the formula is simple to measure a slab and a lincoln and the slab image and do the basic math but im iz lazy just now. :/



    the tree/house/ladder shadow equation. ie:



    1 x

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    5 9

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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: GoldenEgg

    A low pressure strike or "trial strike" will not have the developed rims that this piece has.




    Can you elaborate on that? I thought rims were acquired during the upsetting process, prior to coins being pressed. Maybe they become more clearly defined during minting?



    Then again, planchet cents are not made by the Mint, unlike other coinage. They're outsourced and delivered ready for stamping. So maybe something else is different?

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  • ElKevvo
    ElKevvo Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought rims were acquired during the upsetting process, prior to coins being pressed.





    That is my understanding also...maybe things have changed?



    K
    ANA LM
  • Sonorandesertrat
    Sonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To my eye, rims seem to thicken after a planchet has gone through the striking process. Once metal has been induced to flow into die recesses by pressure, there is no place for it to go except to the rims.
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  • 2ltdjorn
    2ltdjorn Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭
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    That was on my watch list
    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!

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