What.....no copper 4 the weekend?

coinsarefun

Okay then, I will start. One of my favorite Hard Times Tokens
1837 HT-73 HALF CENT OF COPPER

LanceNewmanOCC

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how about a m.a.d. abe?

Desert Moon

Well struck HT-73 CRF......




Nice BROADSTRUCK (WHERE IS HE???) lincoln Lance!

Best, SH

braddick

This just arrived in the mail yesterday:

Swampboy

Broadstruck

1845 Hamilton & White, Chicago, Illinois, Miller Ill-12A, 27mm Diameter, Silvered Copper.



This came out of a estate from a collector in NYC who purchased tokens from Bowers & Merena in the late 1980's. This was still in the Bowers & Merana sealed auction flip when I acquired it. Although I was able to locate which auctions all the others sold in I have yet to find this. As per Russell Rulau he only knew of one silvered example which was in the George L. Tilden collection. This is also one of the first tokens where I've seen Rulau not list a value and just call it RARE.







Here's my copper example and full info on Hamilton & White...



The first time the Windy "Stinky Onion" City's name was ever featured on a token -



1845 Hamilton & White, Chicago, Illinois, Miller Ill-12, 27mm Diameter, Copper.



Robert P. Hamilton and M.L. White were dealers in Dry Goods, Groceries, and Produce located at 139 Lake Street in Chicago. Their partnership was formed in 1844 and in business together until 1853. The obverse of this popular pictorial token featured a prairie schooner drawn by two horses as a whip is being cracked. The obverse script stated "Going To 139 Lake Street Chicago Illinois" with "Hamilton & White dealers in Dry Goods, Groceries, Produce 1845" on the reverse. If this wasn't dated 1845 it would fall within the end of the Hard Times tokens era which ended in 1844. Dated 1845 it's one of the earliest U.S. Merchant tokens and the first coin, token, or medal to ever have been stuck with the city name Chicago on it which was incorporated just a few years earlier in 1837 and had a population of just 12,000 at time of issue. The name "Chicago" is the French version of the Miami-Illinois word shikaakwa "Stinky Onion" named for the plants common along the Chicago river and in the language of the Potowatomi Indian tribe means "Wild Onion and Smelly". This token was first listed in Charles Ira Bushnell's 1858 An Arrangement of the Tradesmen's Cards, Political Tokens, Election Medals, etc. Alfred H. Satterlee already considered it extremely rare in 1862. Benjamin Wright called stated "this is the rarest of all early available Illinois tokens" which is the same phrase Russell Rulau adapted for all his publications up to 2004. The actual maker of this token has never been confirmed however in 1845 Lake Street actually had two die sinkers Waller located at 77 and White at 72. These are all about AG-VF condition with only about a dozen of survivors known. Well centered but crudely struck in low relief on thick 27mm Large Cent sized diameter copper planchets which had been pitted prior to striking. All are missing at least 1/3 of the rim and some script script as the hammer die was uneven or misaligned. Many of the survivors show signs of pitting and lamination striations as issued and have also been damaged such as scratched, bent, holed, double holed, cleaned, dipped, and recolored. The example seen here is one of the finest extant and provenance wise was formally in the Julian Liedman collection of which I've included the 1986 B&M/PCAC sale plates which I matched this to after purchase.

MonsterCoinz

LotsoLuck

Great stuff here

lkeigwin

bolivarshagnasty

A recent BST purchase. Looks very nice sitting under my desk lamp.

johnny9434

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
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how about a m.a.d. abe?

nice coin lance. i like that one

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ricko

Always enjoy this thread...thanks Stef... and thanks Broadstruck for your usual, super interesting

contribution...Cheers, RickO

WaterSport

RPM # 5

keyman64

CoinZip

bolivarshagnasty

golden

Originally posted by: bolivarshagnasty

sawyerjosh

robec

TopographicOceans

shylock

That's a nice looking 1869 lkeigwin. Guessing it's RB but nicer than most RDs.

cardinal

Some OLD Copper:

lkeigwin

Thanks, shylock. Yes, 65R. Nice and wholesome. From Andy Skrabalak.



I've turned over all my small cent buying to Andy. He has my want lists and has never disappointed. The wait is interminable. But better than buying disappointments.

Lance.

Lance.

BG

Very nice copper throughout.

bolivarshagnasty

Originally posted by: cardinal

Some OLD Copper:

Very nice Cardinal. Can you give us some history on the silver centered coins and why this was done? Assume I know nothing about the topic which is correct. Thanks.

HighRelief

ricko

Cardinal, that is a awesome, beautiful cent.... Cheers, RickO

cardinal

Originally posted by: bolivarshagnasty

Originally posted by: cardinal
Some OLD Copper:

Very nice Cardinal. Can you give us some history on the silver centered coins and why this was done? Assume I know nothing about the topic which is correct. Thanks.

The silver centered cents were perhaps the first attempt as a smaller sized cent.




In the earliest days of the U.S. Mint -- as the U.S. was working to obtain acceptance of the newly minted coins in commerce -- all coinage was designed to contain its full value in bullion. So, a one cent piece was required to contain one cent's worth of copper.




The Fugio Cents of 1787 held one cent's worth of copper, and were 29mm in diameter. The 1792 "small" cent is only 24mm in diameter, yet it needed to provide one cent's worth of copper. So, to pack that value into the smaller coin, the design was structured to include 1/4 of a cent of copper, plus 3/4 of a cent of silver. A number of examples were produced for evaluation purposes, but then the design was discontinued -- ultimately in favor of the Chain Cent of 1793.

keyman64

Cardinal is my hero! Just Amazing.

cardinal

Originally posted by: keyman64
Cardinal is my hero! Just Amazing.

Awe...shucks




Here's the other copper denomination in that theme...

keyman64

WOW!

coinsarefun

Cardinal.........wonderful old copper!!!!

jerseycat101

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bolivarshagnasty

Thanks for the explanation Cardinal.