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eBay sticks it to the seller again shipping pm's
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Really shipping anything. They are now giving their shipping discount for using click & ship based on how much the first class package weighs, when it use to be a flat rate discount no matter what it weighed up to 13 oz's.
The more it weighs the higher the discount is, but for sellers who typically ship a 1 oz silver bar in a package that ends up weighing 4 oz's total, there is no discount until the total weight of the package reaches at least 5 oz's.
This may seem trivial, but it is if you're a seller that mostly ships packages weighing less than 5 total oz's (including the weight of the envelope & packaging), that's going to force an approach of the seller. I pass that discount along to the buyer...that discount I get is what I will figure to charge for the shipping I charge to the buyer.
Now, those extra .54 at a minimum per package adds up in this day and age of buyers expecting free shipping. You'd be surprised how those few extra cents that turn into dollars make a difference in the mindset of the buyer.
Personally I don't subscribe to the free shipping approach that eBay has buyers brainwashed with, so now I (and someone like me who is a small time seller) have two choices.
List everything as a BIN with free shipping but factor in the shipping cost to the ask price, or start listing of a $20 item with a starting bid of $23 now with free shipping.
eBay knows they can't raise the FVF any more, so they've gotten creative with things like charging $1 for an auction if it isn't a minimum of 5 day auction, now this, what's next?
Like I said it may not be a big deal to some, but for a volume seller that sells a lot of items that ends up being in low weight packages, they're going to have to change how they offer items.
The more it weighs the higher the discount is, but for sellers who typically ship a 1 oz silver bar in a package that ends up weighing 4 oz's total, there is no discount until the total weight of the package reaches at least 5 oz's.
This may seem trivial, but it is if you're a seller that mostly ships packages weighing less than 5 total oz's (including the weight of the envelope & packaging), that's going to force an approach of the seller. I pass that discount along to the buyer...that discount I get is what I will figure to charge for the shipping I charge to the buyer.
Now, those extra .54 at a minimum per package adds up in this day and age of buyers expecting free shipping. You'd be surprised how those few extra cents that turn into dollars make a difference in the mindset of the buyer.
Personally I don't subscribe to the free shipping approach that eBay has buyers brainwashed with, so now I (and someone like me who is a small time seller) have two choices.
List everything as a BIN with free shipping but factor in the shipping cost to the ask price, or start listing of a $20 item with a starting bid of $23 now with free shipping.
eBay knows they can't raise the FVF any more, so they've gotten creative with things like charging $1 for an auction if it isn't a minimum of 5 day auction, now this, what's next?
Like I said it may not be a big deal to some, but for a volume seller that sells a lot of items that ends up being in low weight packages, they're going to have to change how they offer items.
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Your anger at shipping inflation should probably be directed at the actual shipper.
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put a couple of rocks in the package and get a bigger discount or leave the rocks out and pay less postage.
Your anger at shipping inflation should probably be directed at the actual shipper.
Your best bet is to learn to accept the things you can't change.
Who's angry? LOL It's fact of something that has happened, and after all this time, you continue to troll when it's clear this was a simple informative post by me. Nor did I ask for your advice or opinion.
If you are a top rated seller then you should be shipping free so you get the discount on shipping FVF . Anyway , you get a bump in best match for free shipping I think so that would get more eyeballs on you stuff .
I had no idea that eBay purchased either Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service
I had no idea that eBay purchased either Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service
OPA, please explain to help me better understand this comment keeping in mind that when I create a shipping label via eBay it says "Your eBay Discount (X%): $X.XX"
It does not say "Your Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service". Therefore the discount, or lack thereof now is from eBay cutting the discount, not Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service.
So please help me understand why you would ignorantly comment on something you clearly know nothing about.
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Suggest both of you peruse the official PO price ratePostal rates effective Jan 17, 2016 and scroll down to:
First-Class Package Service
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If you are a top rated seller then you should be shipping free so you get the discount on shipping FVF . Anyway , you get a bump in best match for free shipping I think so that would get more eyeballs on you stuff .
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sell your 1 oz. items in lots of two, three or more and pay the same shipping as you would with a single item.
Adapt to things you cannot change; make them work for you.
What he said; 0-8 oz is $2.60 but you can now ship first class up to 15 ounces whereas it used to be 13 ounces. Also flat rate priority mail envelope has dropped to $4.90. It sucks but not that bad. I ship floor standing speakers for free so if you are crying about shipping going from $2.10 to $2.60 it sounds like a first world problem.
sell your 1 oz. items in lots of two, three or more and pay the same shipping as you would with a single item.
Adapt to things you cannot change; make them work for you.
What he said; 0-8 oz is $2.60 but you can now ship first class up to 15 ounces whereas it used to be 13 ounces. Also flat rate priority mail envelope has dropped to $4.90. It sucks but not that bad. I ship floor standing speakers for free so if you are crying about shipping going from $2.10 to $2.60 it sounds like a first world problem.
First I'm angry, now I'm crying. Unbelievable! IT'S SIMPLY A FACT OF WHAT HAPPENED, THAT'S ALL. It's called, a discussion on a message board.
I don't see what you're saying about a flat rate priority mail envelope has dropped to $4.90. It's $5.60 w/o insurance or signature conf..
First I'm angry, now I'm crying. Unbelievable!
Maybe it's your choice of avatars, which make you seem unbalanced
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First I'm angry, now I'm crying. Unbelievable!
Maybe it's your choice of avatars, which make you seem unbalanced
Maybe it's your interpretation of what you think you know about me?
Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar
actively working on addressing within our tool." BTW...$2.60 vs $2.54
I had no idea that eBay purchased either Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service
OPA, please explain to help me better understand this comment keeping in mind that when I create a shipping label via eBay it says "Your eBay Discount (X%): $X.XX"
It does not say "Your Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service". Therefore the discount, or lack thereof now is from eBay cutting the discount, not Pitney Bowes or the US Postal Service.
So please help me understand why you would ignorantly comment on something you clearly know nothing about.
What kind of discount do you get when you go to the post office?
Where do you feel the discount from eBay was coming from? do you feel it was a rebate on final value fees eBay charged on shipping? or a lower fee USPS charged them for high volume sales?
The discount originates from USPS but is administered through eBay.
My 2 cents.
Sounds like eBay is addressing the less than 3 oz rate issue with the USPS. "For First Class Package from 1-3oz, the prices at retail are currently less expensive than on eBay labels. This is something we are
actively working on addressing within our tool." BTW...$2.60 vs $2.54
I'm sorry to have to correct you publicly, but 3 oz was $2.04, now it's $2.60. Still not too big of a big deal for a small timer, just pass the cost along to the buyer...but percentage wise, it's an enormous increase....and for what? it's just eBay being greedy. The increase is coming from eBay, not the USPS. There was a USPS increase, but eBay's commensurate increase is significantly more.
On the USPS side of the increase, how is it justified when fuel costs for them to get things from one point to another is down dramatically?
It all boils down to greed on both of their parts.
Sounds like eBay is addressing the less than 3 oz rate issue with the USPS. "For First Class Package from 1-3oz, the prices at retail are currently less expensive than on eBay labels. This is something we are
actively working on addressing within our tool." BTW...$2.60 vs $2.54
I'm sorry to have to correct you publicly, but 3 oz was $2.04, now it's $2.60. Still not too big of a big deal for a small timer, just pass the cost along to the buyer...but percentage wise, it's an enormous increase....and for what? it's just eBay being greedy. The increase is coming from eBay, not the USPS. There was a USPS increase, but eBay's commensurate increase is significantly more.
On the USPS side of the increase, how is it justified when fuel costs for them to get things from one point to another is down dramatically?
It all boils down to greed on both of their parts.
It's apparent you refuse to read the new USPS rates, which also include the electronic rates, published by the USPS and not eBay. Your constant paranoid confusion is tiring. BTW, I've sold a heck of a lot more items than you on eBay, as such, I'm not confused as to the past or present postal rates. You can always use UPS or FEDEX, but you wouldn't like those rates either.
Right?
Any time someone charges more for something than it costs them, to try to make a profit by selling, and increases prices because they can do so and still get sales,
that's just simply being greedy, and it's a bad thing.
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Sounds like eBay is addressing the less than 3 oz rate issue with the USPS. "For First Class Package from 1-3oz, the prices at retail are currently less expensive than on eBay labels. This is something we are
actively working on addressing within our tool." BTW...$2.60 vs $2.54
I'm sorry to have to correct you publicly, but 3 oz was $2.04, now it's $2.60. Still not too big of a big deal for a small timer, just pass the cost along to the buyer...but percentage wise, it's an enormous increase....and for what? it's just eBay being greedy. The increase is coming from eBay, not the USPS. There was a USPS increase, but eBay's commensurate increase is significantly more.
On the USPS side of the increase, how is it justified when fuel costs for them to get things from one point to another is down dramatically?
It all boils down to greed on both of their parts.
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However, the USPS is still making e-packet rates available for China Post, etc. at rates that are a fraction of what US shippers pay.
Actually, feepay is screwing the sellers. They have always made $$$ on postage by passing thru only a portion of the gigantic discount they get from the postal circus. Now they have essentially denied the discounts to pad their bottom line.
However, the USPS is still making e-packet rates available for China Post, etc. at rates that are a fraction of what US shippers pay.
Exactly!
Once again, you get defensive when just having a conversation, that is extremely tiresome as well. I will say it again, because apparently you refuse to read what I say in its entirety. Something is different with our accounts then because the figures you're stating are NOT the figures (discounts) I was receiving.
Actually, feepay is screwing the sellers. They have always made $$$ on postage by passing thru only a portion of the gigantic discount they get from the postal circus. Now they have essentially denied the discounts to pad their bottom line.
However, the USPS is still making e-packet rates available for China Post, etc. at rates that are a fraction of what US shippers pay.
That is true, if you really want to see even higher fees look to Amazon...Those rates are also up on Amazon, I sell on both. Flat rate priority envelopes on Amazon are cheaper though at $4.90.
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