Ralph, Great looking set for sure and you've made some great progress on your it over the course of a year or so.
Congrats on all your pickups and good luck picking up (#489 Steve Ridzik) the last card you need to complete the set in all PSA and your 2 dozen or so upgrades to complete the set in PSA 8 or better.
Mr. Brick ....
Being a 1960 set expert ...
Just popped a small 28 card lot and one of the cards is a 1960 Ray Semproch PSA 9. VCP shows the last one sold in 2011 so I don't have a good handle of the prospective value. PSA shows 1 of 5, which is low for the issue. I'm assuming the centering is spot on (since I'm a centering freak...). Any help would be greatly appreciated if this is a raw grade for this issue.
Many thanks,
Steve
Steve Saldutti sjjs28@comcast.net Collector of 1964 Topps Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game and 1969 Topps Decals Registered Sets: 1964 Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game, 1969 Topps Decals
Sorry for the delay. I've been a bit under the weather the last few weeks. I would think this card in PSA 9 would go for a bit more than the last one. It is an expensive common in 8. If the last one in 9 sold 6 years ago it is certainly rare.
Awesome thread, Brick.
While I am not a graphic designer, I would think the set would have come out more visually appealing had they used one color for the name and the alternate color for the team name and position (or even a third color).
I wonder if I will ever get the courage to do a full set greater than 60 cards (54 Topps Hockey and 64 Giants are the only 2 I have tried tackling).
Finally completed the set. Only took me 20 years or so. How long until I upgrade the final 25? Do I have that much time? Only time will tell.
572 / 572
547 in PSA 8 or better
I do not remember my first card in the set, but I remember the last. Curt Simmons. Very tough card in 8. One of my favorites is Leo Kiely. Submitted it raw after buying it on eBay. Came back an 8.5. Another tough card in high grade.
It's been so long I don't remember my first few graded cards. I was collecting 1952 through 1963 and decided to concentrate on 1955 and 1960. I started with raw cards then I purchased some graded which seemed so much nicer. When I purchased some in NM-MT the others didn't seem so nice. I don't expect to upgrade the entire set to PSA 8 in my lifetime (nor afterwards either) I think it is human nature to set goals just outside of realistic expectations.
I have 2 questions (main question plus a follow-up) about the 1960 set. This looks like a good place to ask. This set is my favorite, and I have 4 other years that I like also. Anyway, I have a Clete Boyer card (raw) here in my hot little hands and the yellow is enough off register to see it (maybe 1/16 of an inch.) Also, as I've been following along with this thread, it seems to me (and I would like to check with my loupe) that the Amoros and Ridzik cards have the same problem (since I don't have them in-hand, I may be mistaken, my eyes aren't as good as they used to be.) Where I saw it was in the name being off just a hair to the left..
All-right, with all that said, here are my 2 questions. 1. is this a normal problem for the 60's? and Does PSA grade lower for it?
Please don't misunderstand me, the 2 cards I mentioned (Amoros and Ridzik) are still very nice cards. I used to be a pressman and in the printing business for 20 years, so these type of things pop out to me whereas they might not to a person not in the business.
Brian-- I have put together all the Toops sets, including this one and it is my experience that cards slightly off in registration are not uncommon in 50s, 60s and 70s sets. Sometimes the effect is dramatic, mostly not. I am not a graded collector so defer to Don ( Mariner) --or others on whether slight offs affect grading
I collect variations and recurring print defects with my sets and have some more noticeable off registration cards with my 60 set. If you do a search for "Topps 1960 variations... or errors" on eBay you can usually find some.
Don't know if you participate on Net 54 , but on the post war ( to 1980) board there are some print gurus who often discuss the Topps printing processes and how it results in some of the minor and major imperfectionS that show up in cards
Agree with you that the two cards above are great looking cards and you have to look close to see the off colors
Thanks bishop for the reply. I'll keep researching everything, you gave me some good leads. Still, what is your thought about if I send in my 1960 Clete Boyer. Do you think PSA (or any of the graders) would lower the grade because the yellow is slightly off register?
I think Brick or Don ( Mariner ) or Bob ( Bobsbbcards), who post in here or in the 1959 thread in here, and who collect graded cards will eventually chime in on the Q.
I don't have the off registration problem on mine although on the Ridzik I do have some small black dots and a small smudgy look on the solid yellow behind his action photo. If your Ridzik is fairly well centered you have a very rare card. I think it would be worth the costs to send them in as they appear to you to be very nice. If only one of the three grade Nm-Mt. it would be well worth it. Good Luck Brian. BTW check ebay listings and compare your cards to those being offered. It may help you see what gets the dreaded PD qualifier and what doesn't.
It's been a while since I have upgraded my set. I decided to go for a couple. Won one. Wasn't even close on the other one.
572 / 572
548 in PSA 8 or better.
Due to health concerns of both me and my wife I put this project on hold a few years ago. Finishing it in all PSA 8 is a near impossibility. I do miss working on it so I decided to pick up an upgrade of a card I already had in 8. Been a while since I uploaded a pic. I have been trying to figure it out every now and then for a couple weeks. I finally did it on the testing forum.
Welcome back! Hope all is well health wise. What an amazing collection. I absolutely love that set and the incredible color scheme. How close are you to completion?
Ralph....it is so great to see you back and updating us on your quest for your 1960 Topps set. You have acquired some great cards. I hope that all is much better on the health front for you and your wife. My best to both of you.
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
My 1960 graded set is at 78% all PSA 8's, 8.5's, and 9's. Took me 14 years to finish my set but finally did a couple weeks ago, my raw cards are very nice. It's VERY hard to get all the cards in the grade you want or the ungraded in NM or better condition. Have any doubles in PSA 8 or better Brick? What's the last graded cards you need?
Great job Ralph! You have a good eye for quality. 1960 is a tough, tough set to find solid 8s and better, especially the rookies due to the common black print spots that are present on a majority of the copies that were printed. I'm currently ranked #61 at 78.15% completion. I need 125 plus 75 upgrades, not counting weak 8s that need to be improved. So a long way to go. Do you have all the key stars/HOFers in 8 already?
Been a while since I upgraded any cards. Got a poor prognosis from a doctor some years ago and pretty much quit collecting. Just saw doc and he says I am doing very well. So I decide to jump back in. I figure if I buy one card I need every year I will have this wrapped up when I am 102.
@Brick said:
Been a while since I upgraded any cards. Got a poor prognosis from a doctor some years ago and pretty much quit collecting. Just saw doc and he says I am doing very well. So I decide to jump back in. I figure if I buy one card I need every year I will have this wrapped up when I am 102.
You can do it, maybe you will find a few small lots and get them much quicker than you think. Good luck.
Comments
One to go and I will have the set complete in PSA holders. Then I can concentrate on upgrades.
571/572
545 in PSA 8 or better.
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Ralph
Hi Ralph....I currently have some 1960 Topps PSA 8's on ebay if you would like to check them out. Ebay id is truecollector14
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Hi Don. Will do. I have purchased a few cards from you in the past.
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Ralph
One closer to completion.
571/572
546 in PSA 8 or better.
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Ralph
No need to upgrade anything I've seen you post! Beautiful cards.
A gorgeous Amoros and very tough card!
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
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Ralph, Great looking set for sure and you've made some great progress on your it over the course of a year or so.
Congrats on all your pickups and good luck picking up (#489 Steve Ridzik) the last card you need to complete the set in all PSA and your 2 dozen or so upgrades to complete the set in PSA 8 or better.
Donato
Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set
Successful transactions: Shrub68 (Jim), MWallace (Mike)
Mr. Brick ....
Being a 1960 set expert ...
Just popped a small 28 card lot and one of the cards is a 1960 Ray Semproch PSA 9. VCP shows the last one sold in 2011 so I don't have a good handle of the prospective value. PSA shows 1 of 5, which is low for the issue. I'm assuming the centering is spot on (since I'm a centering freak...). Any help would be greatly appreciated if this is a raw grade for this issue.
Many thanks,
Steve
sjjs28@comcast.net
Collector of 1964 Topps Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game and 1969 Topps Decals
Registered Sets: 1964 Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game, 1969 Topps Decals
Sorry ....
Rare (not raw) ....
sjjs28@comcast.net
Collector of 1964 Topps Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game and 1969 Topps Decals
Registered Sets: 1964 Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game, 1969 Topps Decals
Sorry for the delay. I've been a bit under the weather the last few weeks. I would think this card in PSA 9 would go for a bit more than the last one. It is an expensive common in 8. If the last one in 9 sold 6 years ago it is certainly rare.
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Ralph
Thanks Brick ...
Glad you are up and running again.
Steve
sjjs28@comcast.net
Collector of 1964 Topps Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game and 1969 Topps Decals
Registered Sets: 1964 Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game, 1969 Topps Decals
Awesome thread, Brick.
While I am not a graphic designer, I would think the set would have come out more visually appealing had they used one color for the name and the alternate color for the team name and position (or even a third color).
I wonder if I will ever get the courage to do a full set greater than 60 cards (54 Topps Hockey and 64 Giants are the only 2 I have tried tackling).
Agreed. I think the cards were made for 13 year old kids , which is how old I turned in 1960, not adults.
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Ralph
Beautifull beautifull set mr. Brick
Continued much success.
Beautifull beautifull set mr. Brick
Continued much success.
Finally completed the set. Only took me 20 years or so. How long until I upgrade the final 25? Do I have that much time? Only time will tell.
572 / 572
547 in PSA 8 or better
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Ralph
Brick .................Congrats on reaching 100% completion ! Nice looking Ridzik !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robbie
1963 Fleer
Lou Brock Master Set
Ralph,
Congrats on completing your 1960 Topps set!!!
Wow!!! 20 years to complete the set, now that is some dedication.
Good luck with upgrading the last 25 cards.
Donato
Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set
Successful transactions: Shrub68 (Jim), MWallace (Mike)
Very nice...I marvel at those with such commitment and endurance on a single set.
Do you remember when you started and your first few graded cards from the set?
I do not remember my first card in the set, but I remember the last. Curt Simmons. Very tough card in 8. One of my favorites is Leo Kiely. Submitted it raw after buying it on eBay. Came back an 8.5. Another tough card in high grade.
It's been so long I don't remember my first few graded cards. I was collecting 1952 through 1963 and decided to concentrate on 1955 and 1960. I started with raw cards then I purchased some graded which seemed so much nicer. When I purchased some in NM-MT the others didn't seem so nice. I don't expect to upgrade the entire set to PSA 8 in my lifetime (nor afterwards either) I think it is human nature to set goals just outside of realistic expectations.
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Ralph
Is it primarily major stars that need to be upgraded?
Congratulations Brick!
I enjoyed reading this thread and looking at the cards you posted.
Very nice set.
About half major stars, a few minor stars, and the rest low pop commons.
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Ralph
Congrats!
I have 2 questions (main question plus a follow-up) about the 1960 set. This looks like a good place to ask. This set is my favorite, and I have 4 other years that I like also. Anyway, I have a Clete Boyer card (raw) here in my hot little hands and the yellow is enough off register to see it (maybe 1/16 of an inch.) Also, as I've been following along with this thread, it seems to me (and I would like to check with my loupe) that the Amoros and Ridzik cards have the same problem (since I don't have them in-hand, I may be mistaken, my eyes aren't as good as they used to be.) Where I saw it was in the name being off just a hair to the left..
All-right, with all that said, here are my 2 questions. 1. is this a normal problem for the 60's? and Does PSA grade lower for it?
Please don't misunderstand me, the 2 cards I mentioned (Amoros and Ridzik) are still very nice cards. I used to be a pressman and in the printing business for 20 years, so these type of things pop out to me whereas they might not to a person not in the business.
Thanks for any help, suggestions, and comments.
Brian
Brian-- I have put together all the Toops sets, including this one and it is my experience that cards slightly off in registration are not uncommon in 50s, 60s and 70s sets. Sometimes the effect is dramatic, mostly not. I am not a graded collector so defer to Don ( Mariner) --or others on whether slight offs affect grading
I collect variations and recurring print defects with my sets and have some more noticeable off registration cards with my 60 set. If you do a search for "Topps 1960 variations... or errors" on eBay you can usually find some.
Don't know if you participate on Net 54 , but on the post war ( to 1980) board there are some print gurus who often discuss the Topps printing processes and how it results in some of the minor and major imperfectionS that show up in cards
Agree with you that the two cards above are great looking cards and you have to look close to see the off colors
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Thanks bishop for the reply. I'll keep researching everything, you gave me some good leads. Still, what is your thought about if I send in my 1960 Clete Boyer. Do you think PSA (or any of the graders) would lower the grade because the yellow is slightly off register?
I think Brick or Don ( Mariner ) or Bob ( Bobsbbcards), who post in here or in the 1959 thread in here, and who collect graded cards will eventually chime in on the Q.
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Thanks again Bishop.
I don't have the off registration problem on mine although on the Ridzik I do have some small black dots and a small smudgy look on the solid yellow behind his action photo. If your Ridzik is fairly well centered you have a very rare card. I think it would be worth the costs to send them in as they appear to you to be very nice. If only one of the three grade Nm-Mt. it would be well worth it. Good Luck Brian. BTW check ebay listings and compare your cards to those being offered. It may help you see what gets the dreaded PD qualifier and what doesn't.
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Ralph
It's been a while since I have upgraded my set. I decided to go for a couple. Won one. Wasn't even close on the other one.
572 / 572
548 in PSA 8 or better.
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Ralph
Well, you got a good one, Ralph
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
The Maris All-Star looks like a really nice 8!
Nice ......Sharp , Maris !!!!!!!! Perfect Centering
1963 Fleer
Lou Brock Master Set
Due to health concerns of both me and my wife I put this project on hold a few years ago. Finishing it in all PSA 8 is a near impossibility. I do miss working on it so I decided to pick up an upgrade of a card I already had in 8. Been a while since I uploaded a pic. I have been trying to figure it out every now and then for a couple weeks. I finally did it on the testing forum.
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Ralph
Welcome back! Hope all is well health wise. What an amazing collection. I absolutely love that set and the incredible color scheme. How close are you to completion?
Thanks. I have the entire set in PSA holders. 548 in PSA 8 or better.
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Ralph
Welcome back! Love your set, hope all is well with you. Hope we get to see some more of the upgrades as you find them. Tom
Congrats on such an awesome achievement.
Just finding the cards is a challenge and nice 8's don't come cheap.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Ralph....it is so great to see you back and updating us on your quest for your 1960 Topps set. You have acquired some great cards. I hope that all is much better on the health front for you and your wife. My best to both of you.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
I picked up another upgrade. Already had it in PSA 7 which I thought was undergraded.
572 / 572
549 in PSA 8 or better
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Ralph
Nice Maz!!
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
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My 1960 graded set is at 78% all PSA 8's, 8.5's, and 9's. Took me 14 years to finish my set but finally did a couple weeks ago, my raw cards are very nice. It's VERY hard to get all the cards in the grade you want or the ungraded in NM or better condition. Have any doubles in PSA 8 or better Brick? What's the last graded cards you need?
Jim
Great job Ralph! You have a good eye for quality. 1960 is a tough, tough set to find solid 8s and better, especially the rookies due to the common black print spots that are present on a majority of the copies that were printed. I'm currently ranked #61 at 78.15% completion. I need 125 plus 75 upgrades, not counting weak 8s that need to be improved. So a long way to go. Do you have all the key stars/HOFers in 8 already?
Been a while since I upgraded any cards. Got a poor prognosis from a doctor some years ago and pretty much quit collecting. Just saw doc and he says I am doing very well. So I decide to jump back in. I figure if I buy one card I need every year I will have this wrapped up when I am 102.
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Ralph
You can do it, maybe you will find a few small lots and get them much quicker than you think. Good luck.
Koufax a good one to get!
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
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