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What happened to this Peace Dollar?

GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This coin is in a high grade holder. The damage thru the T & Y in Liberty and beyond looks like wrapping machine damage that I have seen on other coins.



Is it possible it is from sort of die polish or repair?



If it is damage it doesn't make any sense that it is in a straight grade holder?



What would you guys grade it at with this area on the coin? Assume the reverse is ok and grades the same as the obverse with no damage. Grade the coin by the obverse only.



There is similair "damage" at the rim around "IN" and thru the 19 of the date.



Opinions welcome.



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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see what you mean, however, I cannot really make a good evaluation from the

    picture... maybe no picture could do it justice...might be an in-hand issue... almost

    (from the picture) looks like a weak strike in that area.... Cheers, RickO
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    with how much brown haze there is around those areas, i say grease.

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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: GRANDAM
    This coin is in a high grade holder. ]


    So what's the grade? These coin grading cliffhangers posts...................................su**

    Nice hair, good strike.
  • ChristosChristos Posts: 950 ✭
    Weak strike due to a die that is damaged then worked on. I have seen a number of these graded so would think it to have been determined to be a die/strike issue.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea how it happened but it is a coin I would avoid ... period.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    grease or weak/adjustment strike (could probably tell if saw reverse)



    counting wheel damage leaves a solid scrape

    this dollar shows unstruck planchet in that area
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Christos
    Weak strike due to a die that is damaged then worked on. I have seen a number of these graded so would think it to have been determined to be a die/strike issue.



    "I have seen a number of these graded so would think it to have been determined to be a die/strike issue".

    "so would think it to have been determined"

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,293 ✭✭✭✭✭






    Edited to remove my comment after seeing the reverse.
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  • ChristosChristos Posts: 950 ✭
    Originally posted by: epcjimi1

    Originally posted by: Christos

    Weak strike due to a die that is damaged then worked on. I have seen a number of these graded so would think it to have been determined to be a die/strike issue.






    "I have seen a number of these graded so would think it to have been determined to be a die/strike issue".



    "so would think it to have been determined"



    This board rocks.





    What's your point?



  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the reverse.



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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,094 ✭✭✭
    Whatever it is, it happened at the mint. No doubt about it.



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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,844 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is something that I've seen several times in this series. The 34-D in my set shows a bit of this. The overall strike isn't especially weak, as the central hair detail and eagle's feathers have come up nicely enough. Whatever it is can also be seen from the L in "LIBERTY" to the 19 of "1926".



    I don't think it's PMD, but I suppose it could be. It isn't hard to find coins with similar areas. Looking through the current offerings at HA, I can see the same finding, in varying degrees, on lots 6164 (23-P), 6181 (26-D), 6192 (28-P), 8794 (22-D), and 8797 (23-P) in addition to the 26-D featured in the OP's post.



    I think the idea of that area not making contact with the die is right, but why? I think it might be an artifact on the planchet caused by the rim upsetting process. Do that a bit too aggressively and the die may impact too much at the rim, leaving a little unstruck area next to it in a circumferential pattern..... but that's an idea I just pulled out of thin air.



    Obviously whatever it is, the graders treat it "as minted". They must know what causes it.
  • NicNic Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Badly basined dies.

    My 1866 Philly Mint Set

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse shows more of the same - see weakness of peripheral lettering?

    weak strike or die adjaustment - need to see reeding?
    a couple articles on it

    http://koinpro.tripod.com/Arti...trikeOrWeakStrikeQ.htm



    https://www.ngccoin.com/news/v...etterNewsArticleID=514
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,844 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Per Burdette, the mint didn't basin Peace dollar dies.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's just minor grease.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    minor grease and a weak strike maybe both?
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not grease or other "filled die", just the original planchet texture showing through that didn't get completely struck out. A rather common occurrence on Peace Dollars. I suspect that this pattern can occur when the planchet receives an insufficient upsetting of the rim prior to striking.
    Moonlight Mint
  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Not grease or other "filled die", just the original planchet texture showing through that didn't get completely struck out. A rather common occurrence on Peace Dollars. I suspect that this pattern can occur when the planchet receives an insufficient upsetting of the rim prior to striking.


    Great answer.......from a man with hands on experience.

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