Mine arrived today - was glad for the heads up on the forum.
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Mine arrived today - was glad for the heads up on the forum.
Missed it entirely...and every other Dan Carr release.
I did get lucky and pick up a few of the Centennial Buffaloes a couple weeks ago on the bay, but I am trying to be more vigilant for the next Carr design.
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DC, have we a hint of the 2016 version of the "slug"?
Don't know yet. Reverse will be the same. Date will be different. Maybe I'll use one of my own Liberty Heads instead of the JBL-DC 2015 version.
I think using one of your own Liberty Heads could be a good idea. One of the reasons I like this piece so much is that the reverse is your own design, and an instant classic IMO.
Originally posted by: bigjpst Just curious, I was looking at the mintage figures on the website and it shows 79 minted(so far) is this mintage final?
Ok, here is the situation:
I will not be taking any new orders for 2015 "silver Owls".
But due to my administrative failings and a quirk of my ecommerce platform, the issue was "over-subscribed".
By that I mean, prior to the official sellout, I had sold more of them than I actually had. So the people who had requested to get one prior to early January will be able to do so if they still want. That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Dan definitely has a hit on his hands here. He could basically print money by minting more but chooses not to for whatever reason letting everyone else make the money on the secondary market. If a 1000 were made folks would likely scarf them up no prob. Who cares, if you got one be glad, leave the pouting to the many folks that missed out.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Originally posted by: bigjpst Just curious, I was looking at the mintage figures on the website and it shows 79 minted(so far) is this mintage final?
Ok, here is the situation:
I will not be taking any new orders for 2015 "silver Owls".
But due to my administrative failings and a quirk of my ecommerce platform, the issue was "over-subscribed".
By that I mean, prior to the official sellout, I had sold more of them than I actually had. So the people who had requested to get one prior to early January will be able to do so if they still want. That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
I missed out on the original announcement. I patiently waited for them to come available again. I waited for the secondary market, I bought at a much higher than issue price. I wanted one. I got one. I appreciate the manner in which you addressed the over-subscribed situation. The right move. I am now looking forward to the 2016s. Thanks for the Issue and the explanation.
Dan definitely has a hit on his hands here. He could basically print money by minting more but chooses not to for whatever reason letting everyone else make the money on the secondary market. If a 1000 were made folks would likely scarf them up no prob. Who cares, if you got one be glad, leave the pouting to the many folks that missed out.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Part of the reason he has a hit on his hands is because of (in no particular order)
1/ The low mintage
2/ The general knowledge that his mintage figures will be final as stated.
3/ The great design.
If he were to start "printing money" as you stated, he would lose much of his collector following and the long term collectible value of his items would fall.(Think Franklin Mint)
Case in point, the 2013 Buffalo centennial rounds were one of his cooler bullion designs and he made a couple thousand. After the mintage was finalized prices started to rise to two and three times the sale price, but once the aftermarket was saturated, prices fell and now they are selling regularly on ebay for 1/3 of the peak.
You are right though that Dan has right to juggle his client base as he sees fit, but anyone who bought on with the mintage of 70 stated has the right to question why it was changed.
You are right though that Dan has right to juggle his client base as he sees fit, but anyone who bought on with the mintage of 70 stated has the right to question why it was changed.
If anyone wants a refund I'm a buyer. I'll take all
mark
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Honest mistake, handled well by Dan in my opinion. He is an upright guy. Leave it alone....as above, Mark will buy any that people want a refund on. Sheesh!
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That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
There ya go epcjimi1. Stop your whining and move on.
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That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
Originally posted by: WildIdea Dan definitely has a hit on his hands here. He could basically print money by minting more but chooses not to for whatever reason letting everyone else make the money on the secondary market. If a 1000 were made folks would likely scarf them up no prob. Who cares, if you got one be glad, leave the pouting to the many folks that missed out.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Part of the reason he has a hit on his hands is because of (in no particular order) 1/ The low mintage 2/ The general knowledge that his mintage figures will be final as stated. 3/ The great design.
If he were to start "printing money" as you stated, he would lose much of his collector following and the long term collectible value of his items would fall.(Think Franklin Mint)
Case in point, the 2013 Buffalo centennial rounds were one of his cooler bullion designs and he made a couple thousand. After the mintage was finalized prices started to rise to two and three times the sale price, but once the aftermarket was saturated, prices fell and now they are selling regularly on ebay for 1/3 of the peak.
JM2C
This is mostly accurate, however even if the going price is as low as $45 now it is still quite a HOME RUN based on the bulk 20+ piece issue price
I got an order in the day they were released and I'm very happy with the quality of the coins. I was a little disappointed to see the mintage rise (first time this has ever happened??) but am 100% behind the reasoning, even though me being cool with it doesn't matter to anyone. I've missed some releases and that's just part of collecting. I check the website about once a day for new offerings now that i'm hooked.
On a separate note, I know a few folks in the Astronaut Corps, I was planning on sending some of the 2019 Apollo coins down to Huston for them. I think they will like them.
Originally posted by: PRECIOUSMENTAL Dan, I sent you a PM, and responded to your original post when these were offered, I said I wanted one. Never heard back, but that's okay. I have a lot of your artistry, and look forward to what's next.
Originally posted by: jessewvu I got an order in the day they were released and I'm very happy with the quality of the coins. I was a little disappointed to see the mintage rise (first time this has ever happened??) but am 100% behind the reasoning, even though me being cool with it doesn't matter to anyone. I've missed some releases and that's just part of collecting. I check the website about once a day for new offerings now that i'm hooked.
Thanks !
Originally posted by: jessewvu On a separate note, I know a few folks in the Astronaut Corps, I was planning on sending some of the 2019 Apollo coins down to Huston for them. I think they will like them.
I check his web sight twice a day are more so I dont miss out on something that is low production ! Because I Know if I miss out I will have to buy on 2nd market ? this is what I miss seeing Current Status:
All production has ended.
All “1964” and “1965” dies have been totally defaced and scrapped.
I guess I was lucky and logged into his website when they were still available. But, I've missed other coins in the past though, so I understand how those who didn't get them feel.
Sure, those with the coins would be a little happier if the mintage was lower... but overall I'm happy with how Dan came here, explained what happened and laid out what he felt was the best resolution. You don't have to agree with it, but the transparency is much better than the alternative that some others may have taken by just minting extras in secret!!!
I also got a couple of those 2019-D Astronaut Dollar prototypes and they are very cool! Hope that Dan can convince the powers that be to issue that design for the 50th Anniversary of Apollo and the moon landing. Would also make a great commemorative if the dollar coin doesn't work out.
I think Dan's approach is very reasonable and people should not be upset with the mintages. It's hard to accommodate everyone so often times we have to compromise, which is how this country first started.
For those thinking a mintage of 70 is okay and 95 is too high, consider this, Some of Dan's other pieces have mintages of over 200 and hardly ever come up for sale. In light of that, I think even 95 is very reasonable for collectors. And while I was able to get this piece, I've missed out on getting other pieces with low mintages, including as recently as today.
It will be interesting to see what happens after 2016, e.g 2017, etc. I think it may be better to stop the octagonals after 2016 and occasionally bring them back, e.g. every 5 years or so. After all, most original octagonals don't have very long date runs, e.g. Humbert and Pan Pac slugs, Lesher dollars, etc. which makes them more rare and unique. That's just a thought but whatever Dan does is fine.
Regarding the astronaut dollar, I like this concept and have one of Dan's earliest versions. To make this more successful, I think it's important to get some Florida Congressmen and NASA behind it, similar to support for other coins, e.g US Senators, Monticello Foundation, etc.
You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
Not the same thing. Those who bought more then one and wanted to flip the extra piece(s) are probably a little chaffed. Don't care.
I don't care who is mad or sulking and have zero sympathy. If they are that upset and it bothers them that much I'll buy them. I doubt I get any takers. Not going to be any martyrs I'm afraid.
If fair weathered Dan Carr fans are upset about an honest mistake and that they might not get a extra big score on the resale then too bad. If I were Dan I would charge WAY more on limited issues to prevent the obscene flip. Why shouldn't he get a bigger piece of the pie? Why the flipper? It reminds me of all the concert ticker scalpers who would buy tickets at the issue price and then flip them for obscene profit. Their only real work was camping out on line or actually in line for them. After awhile promoters started charging more more issue price concert tickets as they knew they were leaving a ton of money on the table. Scalpers got scalped. A few artists sell tickets at working man pieces but make the tickets unflippable. ( names have to match)
Those who bought for their collection should be unaffected.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Sure, those with the coins would be a little happier if the mintage was lower... but overall I'm happy with how Dan came here, explained what happened and laid out what he felt was the best resolution. You don't have to agree with it, but the transparency is much better than the alternative that some others may have taken by just minting extras in secret!!!
Yep.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
Not the same thing. Those who bought more then one and wanted to flip the extra piece(s) are probably a little chaffed. Don't care.
I don't care who is mad or sulking and have zero sympathy. If they are that upset and it bothers them that much I'll buy them. I doubt I get any takers. Not going to be any martyrs I'm afraid.
If fair weathered Dan Carr fans are upset about an honest mistake and that they might not get a extra big score on the resale then too bad. If I were Dan I would charge WAY more on limited issues to prevent the obscene flip. Why shouldn't he get a bigger piece of the pie? Why the flipper? It reminds me of all the concert ticker scalpers who would buy tickets at the issue price and then flip them for obscene profit. Their only real work was camping out on line or actually in line for them. After awhile promoters started charging more more issue price concert tickets as they knew they were leaving a ton of money on the table. Scalpers got scalped. A few artists sell tickets at working man pieces but make the tickets unflippable. ( names have to match)
Those who bought for their collection should be unaffected.
I agree that he handled it pretty well, for what it is worth. You are also right that he could probably charge more and not leave as much money on the table. And I also agree that the mintage from 70 total or 95 total probably makes no difference. That being said, if Dan or any other private or government mint starts changing mintage after they sell out, or going back and restriking issues without some change where collectors will not be able to tell, the previous issues could likely lose long term value.
Look at Franklin mint and most modern U.S. mint silver/gold issues. They sell for high issue prices and later the collectors or their heirs are lucky to get melt for them. Partially because of high mintages. Dan has a good thing going for him that he keeps his mintage low, has great designs and integrity to not just go and start secretly minting more coins just to make a buck.
I still believe there is nothing wrong with asking him why it changed and I am ok with his explanation.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
With regards to Franklin Mint - check how much a Barbados, Papua, or Trinidad 1984 proof set sells for these days! Well chosen Franklin Mint coins from this era have performed VERY well, contrary to what most think and are very hard to come by with big fights from multiple bidders on eBay.
Anyway, I am very happy with my "Owl slugs", which look even better in hand, and think DC did a terrific job.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
Originally posted by: epcjimi1 I did not intend to make a BST listing, but somehow I managed to do so, my mistake, my fault.
I meant to post to the US Coin forum only. BST listing edited
Now the OP just started a BST listing for these. Motive for the post seems to befor spamming purposes. He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95. Guess the concern was for losing flipping potential. isgust;
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Originally posted by: epcjimi1 I did not intend to make a BST listing, but somehow I managed to do so, my mistake, my fault.
I meant to post to the US Coin forum only. BST listing edited
Now the OP just started a BST listing for these. Motive for the post seems to befor spamming purposes. He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95. Guess the concern was for losing flipping potential. isgust;
Why Not? I have another to sell. What? Comment as you want. Whatever.
Look, here's the deal. 70 minted. Now it's 95.
"He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95."
That's 37.5%.
dan in capitals, quoted. Crazy. What, does he walk on water or something?
Originally posted by: jessewvu What, does he walk on water or something?
When it comes to designing and minting limited edition coins with awesome appeal, why yes, yes he does.
Wow. On this forum I've been called everything from a "fake artist" and now all the way up to "walking on water". I think the truth is somewhere in the middle
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Those (that) are (is) nice! I just wish the run was for a little bit more. Maybe one will pop up on the Bay.
One just sold on eBay for $325
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Nobody is the answer as he completely blows away our own US Mint .
Great piece Dan !!
Glad to see that you went ahead and did it in silver
Those (that) are (is) nice! I just wish the run was for a little bit more. Maybe one will pop up on the Bay.
One just sold on eBay for $325
...or not!
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Those (that) are (is) nice! I just wish the run was for a little bit more. Maybe one will pop up on the Bay.
One just sold on eBay for $325
I missed the email announcement, and waited for the first available.... It cost, but worth every penny to me
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Well, just Love coins, period.
Mine arrived today - was glad for the heads up on the forum.
Missed it entirely...and every other Dan Carr release.
I did get lucky and pick up a few of the Centennial Buffaloes a couple weeks ago on the bay, but I am trying to be more vigilant for the next Carr design.
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DC, have we a hint of the 2016 version of the "slug"?
Don't know yet. Reverse will be the same. Date will be different. Maybe I'll use one of my own Liberty Heads instead of the JBL-DC 2015 version.
DC, have we a hint of the 2016 version of the "slug"?
Don't know yet. Reverse will be the same. Date will be different. Maybe I'll use one of my own Liberty Heads instead of the JBL-DC 2015 version.
I think using one of your own Liberty Heads could be a good idea. One of the reasons I like this piece so much is that the reverse is your own design, and an instant classic IMO.
is this mintage final?
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Just curious, I was looking at the mintage figures on the website and it shows 79 minted(so far)
is this mintage final?
I see only 70 minted
http://www.dc-coin.com/colorad...1-3-1-1-1-1-1-1-2.aspx
...unless I am looking at the wrong thing.
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Just curious, I was looking at the mintage figures on the website and it shows 79 minted(so far)
is this mintage final?
Ok, here is the situation:
I will not be taking any new orders for 2015 "silver Owls".
But due to my administrative failings and a quirk of my ecommerce platform, the issue was "over-subscribed".
By that I mean, prior to the official sellout, I had sold more of them than I actually had. So the people who had requested to get one prior to early January will be able to do so if they still want. That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
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My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Just curious, I was looking at the mintage figures on the website and it shows 79 minted(so far)
is this mintage final?
Ok, here is the situation:
I will not be taking any new orders for 2015 "silver Owls".
But due to my administrative failings and a quirk of my ecommerce platform, the issue was "over-subscribed".
By that I mean, prior to the official sellout, I had sold more of them than I actually had. So the people who had requested to get one prior to early January will be able to do so if they still want. That will result in perhaps another 25 (at most) being minted beyond the initial run of 70. But that will be it. Both runs will be struck by the same dies and will be identical in appearance.
My apologies for the confusion.
I missed out on the original announcement. I patiently waited for them to come available again. I waited for the secondary market, I bought at a much higher than issue price. I wanted one. I got one. I appreciate the manner in which you addressed the over-subscribed situation. The right move. I am now looking forward to the 2016s. Thanks for the Issue and the explanation.
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Dan definitely has a hit on his hands here. He could basically print money by minting more but chooses not to for whatever reason letting everyone else make the money on the secondary market. If a 1000 were made folks would likely scarf them up no prob. Who cares, if you got one be glad, leave the pouting to the many folks that missed out.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Part of the reason he has a hit on his hands is because of (in no particular order)
1/ The low mintage
2/ The general knowledge that his mintage figures will be final as stated.
3/ The great design.
If he were to start "printing money" as you stated, he would lose much of his collector following and the long term collectible value of his items would fall.(Think Franklin Mint)
Case in point, the 2013 Buffalo centennial rounds were one of his cooler bullion designs and he made a couple thousand. After the mintage was finalized prices started to rise to two and three times the sale price, but once the aftermarket was saturated, prices fell and now they are selling regularly on ebay for 1/3 of the peak.
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You are right though that Dan has right to juggle his client base as he sees fit, but anyone who bought on with the mintage of 70 stated has the right to question why it was changed.
If anyone wants a refund I'm a buyer. I'll take all
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2/ The general knowledge that his mintage figures will be final as stated.
This
He is an upright guy.
Leave it alone....as above, Mark will buy any that people want a refund on.
Sheesh!
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
There ya go epcjimi1.
Stop your whining and move on.
My apologies for the confusion.
Confusion? What confusion? Website said 70 pc struck.
Percentage increase in mintage?
70 to 95.
35.7%
Hope you review your order process, I bought @ 70 pcs minted, now it's 95.
Whatever, bad move.
MHO.
No matter what I do here, somebody is not going to be happy. Making more doesn't make happy the people who bought one already. Not making more doesn't make happy the people who ordered one and didn't get one. So I decided on a reasonable compromise. I could easily make and sell at least a couple hundred more. But instead, I'm only going to make, at most, 25 more to cover the people that ordered early but didn't get their orders filled.
If anyone wants to return theirs, I will pay $125 to get it back.
HAHAHAHA
I love it !!
Dan you are the man !!
Dan definitely has a hit on his hands here. He could basically print money by minting more but chooses not to for whatever reason letting everyone else make the money on the secondary market. If a 1000 were made folks would likely scarf them up no prob. Who cares, if you got one be glad, leave the pouting to the many folks that missed out.
It's really cool these pieces are getting made at all, can't wait to see what's next. I'm for letting Dan do the juggle work balancing his client base however he sees fit.
Part of the reason he has a hit on his hands is because of (in no particular order)
1/ The low mintage
2/ The general knowledge that his mintage figures will be final as stated.
3/ The great design.
If he were to start "printing money" as you stated, he would lose much of his collector following and the long term collectible value of his items would fall.(Think Franklin Mint)
Case in point, the 2013 Buffalo centennial rounds were one of his cooler bullion designs and he made a couple thousand. After the mintage was finalized prices started to rise to two and three times the sale price, but once the aftermarket was saturated, prices fell and now they are selling regularly on ebay for 1/3 of the peak.
JM2C
This is mostly accurate, however even if the going price is as low as $45 now it is still quite a HOME RUN based on the bulk 20+ piece issue price
Never heard back, but that's okay.
I have a lot of your artistry, and look forward to what's next.
On a separate note, I know a few folks in the Astronaut Corps, I was planning on sending some of the 2019 Apollo coins down to Huston for them. I think they will like them.
Dan, I sent you a PM, and responded to your original post when these were offered, I said I wanted one.
Never heard back, but that's okay.
I have a lot of your artistry, and look forward to what's next.
PM sent.
I got an order in the day they were released and I'm very happy with the quality of the coins. I was a little disappointed to see the mintage rise (first time this has ever happened??) but am 100% behind the reasoning, even though me being cool with it doesn't matter to anyone. I've missed some releases and that's just part of collecting. I check the website about once a day for new offerings now that i'm hooked.
Thanks !
On a separate note, I know a few folks in the Astronaut Corps, I was planning on sending some of the 2019 Apollo coins down to Huston for them. I think they will like them.
Awesome !
All production has ended.
All “1964” and “1965” dies have been totally defaced and scrapped.
Sure, those with the coins would be a little happier if the mintage was lower... but overall I'm happy with how Dan came here, explained what happened and laid out what he felt was the best resolution. You don't have to agree with it, but the transparency is much better than the alternative that some others may have taken by just minting extras in secret!!!
I also got a couple of those 2019-D Astronaut Dollar prototypes and they are very cool! Hope that Dan can convince the powers that be to issue that design for the 50th Anniversary of Apollo and the moon landing. Would also make a great commemorative if the dollar coin doesn't work out.
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For those thinking a mintage of 70 is okay and 95 is too high, consider this, Some of Dan's other pieces have mintages of over 200 and hardly ever come up for sale. In light of that, I think even 95 is very reasonable for collectors. And while I was able to get this piece, I've missed out on getting other pieces with low mintages, including as recently as today.
It will be interesting to see what happens after 2016, e.g 2017, etc. I think it may be better to stop the octagonals after 2016 and occasionally bring them back, e.g. every 5 years or so. After all, most original octagonals don't have very long date runs, e.g. Humbert and Pan Pac slugs, Lesher dollars, etc. which makes them more rare and unique. That's just a thought but whatever Dan does is fine.
Regarding the astronaut dollar, I like this concept and have one of Dan's earliest versions. To make this more successful, I think it's important to get some Florida Congressmen and NASA behind it, similar to support for other coins, e.g US Senators, Monticello Foundation, etc.
mark
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The 2015 1.5 oz. Silver Owl is a real HOOT!
(c'mon, somebody had to say it)
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You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
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So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
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You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
Not the same thing. Those who bought more then one and wanted to flip the extra piece(s) are probably a little chaffed. Don't care.
I don't care who is mad or sulking and have zero sympathy. If they are that upset and it bothers them that much I'll buy them. I doubt I get any takers. Not going to be any martyrs I'm afraid.
If fair weathered Dan Carr fans are upset about an honest mistake and that they might not get a extra big score on the resale then too bad. If I were Dan I would charge WAY more on limited issues to prevent the obscene flip. Why shouldn't he get a bigger piece of the pie? Why the flipper? It reminds me of all the concert ticker scalpers who would buy tickets at the issue price and then flip them for obscene profit. Their only real work was camping out on line or actually in line for them. After awhile promoters started charging more more issue price concert tickets as they knew they were leaving a ton of money on the table. Scalpers got scalped. A few artists sell tickets at working man pieces but make the tickets unflippable. ( names have to match)
Those who bought for their collection should be unaffected.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Sure, those with the coins would be a little happier if the mintage was lower... but overall I'm happy with how Dan came here, explained what happened and laid out what he felt was the best resolution. You don't have to agree with it, but the transparency is much better than the alternative that some others may have taken by just minting extras in secret!!!
Yep.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
You have to admire Dan's open handing of this. Honest mistakes happen. Again, if anyone is upset I'll buy all their owls at issue price. The only ones that could possibly be upset are those that bought them on the flip in the secondary market.
mark
So those of us who bought them for our collection wouldn't be upset if he just started minting more? I have a fairly large collection of Dan's items and I would be upset if I found out he decided to just mint more of any of his previous designs.
Just like you would probably be upset if the US mint decided it wanted to bring back some early commem using the original dies and suddenly your collection declined in value.
I believe Dan was in an akward position, and I know someone who tried to order 2 on issue day and the website only let him buy 1. He was under the impression he bought the last one. I am glad Dan came here and explained.
The only seemingly intelligent people who can't see why others would question why the mintage changed must have missed out and are pouting and calling others names.
See I can make broad statements as well.
Edited to add emoticon for those that think I'm mad.
Not the same thing. Those who bought more then one and wanted to flip the extra piece(s) are probably a little chaffed. Don't care.
I don't care who is mad or sulking and have zero sympathy. If they are that upset and it bothers them that much I'll buy them. I doubt I get any takers. Not going to be any martyrs I'm afraid.
If fair weathered Dan Carr fans are upset about an honest mistake and that they might not get a extra big score on the resale then too bad. If I were Dan I would charge WAY more on limited issues to prevent the obscene flip. Why shouldn't he get a bigger piece of the pie? Why the flipper? It reminds me of all the concert ticker scalpers who would buy tickets at the issue price and then flip them for obscene profit. Their only real work was camping out on line or actually in line for them. After awhile promoters started charging more more issue price concert tickets as they knew they were leaving a ton of money on the table. Scalpers got scalped. A few artists sell tickets at working man pieces but make the tickets unflippable. ( names have to match)
Those who bought for their collection should be unaffected.
I agree that he handled it pretty well, for what it is worth. You are also right that he could probably charge more and not leave as much money on the table. And I also agree that the mintage from 70 total or 95 total probably makes no difference. That being said, if Dan or any other private or government mint starts changing mintage after they sell out, or going back and restriking issues without some change where collectors will not be able to tell, the previous issues could likely lose long term value.
Look at Franklin mint and most modern U.S. mint silver/gold issues. They sell for high issue prices and later the collectors or their heirs are lucky to get melt for them. Partially because of high mintages. Dan has a good thing going for him that he keeps his mintage low, has great designs and integrity to not just go and start secretly minting more coins just to make a buck.
I still believe there is nothing wrong with asking him why it changed and I am ok with his explanation.
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Happily ever after....
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Anyway, I am very happy with my "Owl slugs", which look even better in hand, and think DC did a terrific job.
Well, just Love coins, period.
I did not intend to make a BST listing, but somehow I managed to do so, my mistake, my fault.
I meant to post to the US Coin forum only. BST listing edited
Now the OP just started a BST listing for these.
Motive for the post seems to befor spamming purposes.
He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95.
Guess the concern was for losing flipping potential.
I did not intend to make a BST listing, but somehow I managed to do so, my mistake, my fault.
I meant to post to the US Coin forum only. BST listing edited
Now the OP just started a BST listing for these.
Motive for the post seems to befor spamming purposes.
He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95.
Guess the concern was for losing flipping potential.
Why Not? I have another to sell. What? Comment as you want. Whatever.
Look, here's the deal. 70 minted. Now it's 95.
"He criticized DAN for making a few more from 70 to 95."
That's 37.5%.
dan in capitals, quoted. Crazy. What, does he walk on water or something?
What, does he walk on water or something?
When it comes to designing and minting limited edition coins with awesome appeal, why yes, yes he does.
What, does he walk on water or something?
When it comes to designing and minting limited edition coins with awesome appeal, why yes, yes he does.
Wow. On this forum I've been called everything from a "fake artist" and now all the way up to "walking on water". I think the truth is somewhere in the middle