Is 32 degree rotation for a Trade Dollar considered significant?

Realone

I thought it was until I read what Fred Weinberg said about rotation must be at least 45 degrees to get a designation on the holder. But then I assumed that must be the general cut off but maybe for Trade Dollars in particular 45 degrees is too much. Until this example I have never seen one greater than approx 15%.

DennisH

Everyone's opinion probably differs, but I pretty much agree with him about Morgans.

MilkmanDan

Significant? Yes for a trade dollar. Desirable? Not sure.



Rotation errors don't do much at all for me, personally.

FredWeinberg

Modern Mint tolerance is 27 degrees, but I don't know what

it might have been 100-125 years ago.



27 and 32 are pretty close, when you're talking about 180 degrees

in either direction. (or, a difference of 5 degrees vrs. 180 degrees.



As a rule, PCGS doesn't note Rotations of less than 45 degrees,

although I would consider, possibly, putting "Minor Rotated Reverse"

on the tag....



Post images of the coin, with the reverse accurately shown rotated,

and I'll be glad to take a look at them.

AUandAG

I think that it is unusual for a trade dollar. Love to see the pics.





bob

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FredWeinberg

Thanks for the scans - using my small plastic RR gauge,

it looks 30 degrees, but yes, it could be 32..........



Since it's not 45, I would put "minor rotated rev." on

the label, but since it's a much rarer DD, and it is

something that can be seen in the holder, I would just

put a small sticker saying 'rotated rev.', or' 32 degree RR'



Your choice, obviously...but it also depends on what other

information you want on the tag...if it's a DD, and a

Discovery piece, all this RR info might not fit on the two

lines of the tag.......

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CaptHenway

I personally consider anything greater than 30 degrees to be worthy of mention, but I no longer run a TPG.

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291fifth

Die rotations are probably my least favorite kind of mint error. I feel they detract from the appearance of the coin, especially in a slab. I would not purchase them at all ... just my opinion.

astrorat

Originally posted by: Realone

Originally posted by: CaptHenway
I personally consider anything greater than 30 degrees to be worthy of mention, but I no longer run a TPG.

Good to know Cap't, and I wish you still ran ANACS, loved their conservatism, their attribution ability, their incredible knowledge in the field and of course those phenom little white holders!
I now have a wonderful collection of those slabs hopefully with even cooler coins inside them since I don't collect plastic for the sake of plastic if you know what I mean.

Tom departed ANACS before those "phenom little white holders" were used. In fact, he has stated he was against their adoption. So, if Tom did still "run" ANACS, then those little white holders would have never been put into use. The photo cards were (and still are) great.

astrorat

Something fun you can do with rotated reverses, even with minor rotations, is to see how the rotation progresses with die use. Here is a series of twenty-cent pieces showing the progression of rotation based on die state. It was interesting to gather these pieces and "discover" how the die changed rotation as coins were progressively struck.

ricko

Interesting... minor rotations are not of interest to me personally, but it is unusual on

Trade Dollars.... Did I read somewhere about a full die rotation? Cannot remember any

specifics, but deep in my memory it seems there was one...or almost full...Cheers, RickO

ctf_error_coins

Realone, sweet coin, great eye. Sounds like Fred will take care of you on this one. Congrats.

astrorat

Originally posted by: ricko
Interesting... minor rotations are not of interest to me personally, but it is unusual on
Trade Dollars.... Did I read somewhere about a full die rotation? Cannot remember any
specifics, but deep in my memory it seems there was one...or almost full...Cheers, RickO

I have seen a few examples of Trade dollars with full 360 degree rotations.

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