Early Copper "GTG" game with a twist: WINNER- BigMoose

rhedden

Here are four early coppers that were freshly graded at PCGS today. Guess the grade (including Genuine) on each, and as a variation on the GTG threads, we will be grading the graders' grades at the end to determine a winner, who will get forum bragging rights for a full 15 minutes afterwards as a prize.

Here's how the scoring will work: lowest total score wins.

Get the grade exactly right, and you will get zero points added to your score.

Miss the grade by "X" number of points (too high or too low), and you will have +X points added to your score.

Guess "Genuine-XX" on a coin, but it actually graded, and you will have a +10 point penalty added to your score. Ouch.

Guess it graded, but it actually made "Genuine-XX" due to problems, and you will also have a +10 penalty added to your score. No need to specify between Genuine-92, Genuine-93,.... just "Genuine" is good enough.

Guess it got a "+" grade correctly, and you will have a -3 point bonus added to your score.

Guess it got a "+" grade incorrectly, and you will have +1 point added to your score.

Fail to grade any one coin , and you also suffer the +10 point penalty.

Edit your response after seeing others guesses, and it's an automatic disqualification.

None of the coins have hidden problems that aren't visible in the photos; no low blows by the OP, in other words.

All of the coins are assumed to be brown enough that we don't have to consider BN/RB

Everyone has to grade from the same amateurish-photos, so no whining about how it's impossible to grade from crappy photos- and they are quite crappy, because I made them.

I'm not saying any of them graded Genuine or got a "+"; these are just grading options PCGS sometimes uses.

Now for the coins:

#1 1809/ Inverted 9 half cent- an internet dealer purchase (raw)

#2 1816 large cent- from Bowers & Merena's sale of the collection of William Youngman.

#3 1818 large cent- also from Bowers & Merena's sale of the collection of William Youngman.
(Little white flecks on the obverse are tiny dust particles- no effect on grade.)

#4 1819 large cent- raw eBay purchase.

WildIdea

1909 1/2 xf40

1816 Au50

1818 Au55

1819 Au50

TopographicOceans

1) 35

2) 40

3) 45

4) 35

BigMoose

1809---XF45

1816---AU55

1818---AU58

1819---AU53

msch1man

45

45

55

50

rhedden

TTT so we can get a few more guesses.

guitarwes

1- 30

2- 35

3- 50

4- 45

ricko

45, 50, 55, 50.... Cheers, RickO

Vbowling299

1- XF40

2- XF45

3- AU53

4- AU58

Walkerguy21D

1909 1/2 xf40
1816 Au50
1818 genny (hey someone had to!)
1819 Au50

rhedden

OK, that's enough guesses.... the grades assigned by PCGS were:

1809/Inv 9 Half Cent PCGS XF45

1816 1c PCGS AU50

1818 1c PCGS AU58

1819 1c PCGS AU55

Here's our final ranking of the graders...congrats to BigMoose for knowing how PCGS grades copper, and factoring in rhedden's awful photo skills to boot!

1. BigMoose 7

2T. WildIdea 13

2T. msch1man 13

2T. ricko 13

2T. Vbowling299 13

6. Walkerguy21D 20

7. guitarwes 48

8. TopographicOceans 53

Stay tuned for another contest on something else besides early copper... I just got 85 coins back from PCGS.

WinLoseWin

45

45

53

55

rhedden

WinLoseWin- you would have scored "10" with those guesses and finished second. More importantly, your guesses on three of the four coins matched mine before I submitted them. The exception was that I basically knew the 1818 would go AU58. I had "identical twin" 1818 cents from a group lot in the same auction, and one of them was submitted 7 years ago; it made AU58. The coins were virtually indistinguishable, so I figured the 1818 was a lock for AU58.

WinLoseWin

Ha. I had opened some threads and did not get back to reading them for awhile and did not hit refresh first so did not realize it was over.



At least I would had got 2nd place, everyone remembers 2nd place.

mannie gray

I forgot to put in my guesses but they were:

45

50

62

45

guitarwes

I suck at grading early copper by crappy photos. Congrats on the nice straight grades.

BigMoose

Well, it looks like I didn't waste all of my time going to shows and attending auctions looking at countless lots of Early Copper over the last decade or two.