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How would you describe a MONSTER toned coin?

Sometimes a coin is so vibrant and colorful it deserves the MONSTER qualifier, but it seems to be an overused attribute to describe toned coins.

What would you say pushes a coin into a true MONSTER toned coin?
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  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    I want....


    1) rich bright attractive natural color that surprises me when I look at it


    2) color that covers most or all of one side of the coin and


    3) It must stand way out from among it's peers in the series, and also possibly date/mm (For example the same color on an every day ho-hum red/green toned 1958D franklin from a mint set could constitute monster color on a Peace Dollar. The 58D could be a monster among 1954D franklins for example. )
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The very tiny number of modern and classic coins that my son Justin identifies as "monster toned" will be monster toned (in my view) when he starts selling them on ebay next month under his handle "Monstercoinmart.com" (website to follow). He will also heavily focus on monster DCAM modern and classic coins as well (hence the name). In fact, I believe he has one of those for sale right now on ebay (or is about to offer one out).



    Apologies in advance for this "cheap plug" for my son and his new enterprise. He grew up with the name "Toneboy" and was always in love with monster toned coins since the age of about (6).



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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
    Sometimes a coin is so vibrant and colorful it deserves the MONSTER qualifier, but it seems to be an overused attribute to describe toned coins.

    What would you say pushes a coin into a true MONSTER toned coin?


    True Monsters sell themselves without descriptors to the the peering eyes of those who are looking. Be that , as it may… eye appeal pushes them, not words.
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭
    Monster toned is way way over used. Rainbow toning is way way over used. When you glimpse a coin in the corner of a dealer's case and it jumps out at you despite pitiful lighting in the convention center and then you put it in your hand and you think to yourself two grand plus for a proof 1954 quarter is not a bad price, that's monster toning. Yes, that was deliberately written as a stream of consciousness. ??
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They need to be lustrous as well struck. Overtoned coins where the luster does not vibrant through are not monster toned coins. Proofs can get overtoned as well. Best way to describe monster toned coins the toning will look like Christmas tinsel of many colors.
    Overtoned coins without the lustrous fields are not monster toned coins.


    Leo

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See my sig line please. image
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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of an incredible Monster Toned coin. Mother nature's work of art! Wondercoin


    image
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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And, for those who like a monster toned copper coin.... Wondercoin

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  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In my opinion a monster toned coin should have (in no particular order)



    Luster easily visible even through the toning

    At least one side of the coin completely covered in color.

    Color easily visible without having to have tons of light beamed at the surfaces







  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AuroraBorealis would be a good member to reply here.

    You could go look at Ms. November in the 2015 PCGS Calendar.



    He might have a few to browse in here...just a few though. image





    Oh, July of the 2015 PCGS Calendar is fantastic as well.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: bigjpst

    In my opinion a monster toned coin should have (in no particular order)



    Luster easily visible even through the toning

    At least one side of the coin completely covered in color.

    Color easily visible without having to have tons of light beamed at the surfaces




    I like this definition which mirrors what I look for.


    Here are some photos from Brandon.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I like this definition which mirrors what I look for.

    Here are some photos from Brandon.




    That is a good read and I have read it before. I like that he includes some original material from Sunnywood.
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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As stated above, a coin that has vibrant colors and jumps out of the case at you. This one just back from PCGS and IMHO qualifies. From a 2005-s Silver Proof set. It looks to me like a hurricane of color.



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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How would you describe a MONSTER toned coin?




    One that I would not purchase....... Cheers, RickO
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    True monsters toned coins do not need to be described as such. They just are.



    Rarely does the owner of such a coin describes it himself as such. The "others" do that for him/her



    mark
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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blazing luster and vibrant rainbow colors, preferably over gem+ surfaces
  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: wondercoin
    A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of an incredible Monster Toned coin. Mother nature's work of art! Wondercoin


    image


    That is NOT a monster toned coin IMO
  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,388 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suppose there's a difference between a monster coin and a monster TONED coin. Grade, rarity, and perhaps outstanding eye appeal can all contribute to the former, but not the latter. I have heard, and would use "monster" to apply to deeply mirrored coins as well. In my opinion, the only one of the above coins that has real monster color is Wondercoin's copper and perhaps TDN's trade dollar. TDN's other coins are outstanding, and while the color is beautiful, it doesn't cover enough of the coins and isn't deep and vibrant enough to warrant the term.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TONEDDOLLARS

    Originally posted by: wondercoin

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of an incredible Monster Toned coin. Mother nature's work of art! Wondercoin





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    That is NOT a monster toned coin IMO




    Concur. It's beautiful though



    mark



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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    i like the term "moose" better

    monster kinda sounds childish to me



    what makes a moose...a moose...or how would i describe a moose

    there's no need to



    i agree that the peso is no moose

    now that one centavo...ok this coin is the only one speaking to me in this thread here



    it's all a personal thing anyways

    we call um how we see um



    best i could offer is...it's a coin that leaves no doubt that you're looking at the creme of the crop in "patina rarity"
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    With all due respect to others that know more than I do, I would only call two coins in this thread as monster toned.
  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

    With all due respect to others that know more than I do, I would only call two coins in this thread as monster toned.




    And THAT is why there is always controversy when someone uses monster in a description. Everyone has an opinion of what monster should mean. Kind of like the term luster.

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same as pornography.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Monster toning for 19th century choice/gem silver MS type coins is virtually non-existent. If you have a seated or bust coin that is monstrous like a BU Morgan dollar of ASE, odds might favor it being "helped" along. The standards for monster toning does and should vary from series to series and era to era. Monster toning on a bust half....almost always from secondary toning and often "helped" along.
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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Same as pornography."

    Agreed ... you know it when you see it! And, trust me, the 1903 Peso is a monster by any standard whenviewed in person.

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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody like Washington quarters? Here is one that a number of the most serious collectors of the series owned over the years/decades. Wondercoin

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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And another ...

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  • ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have quite a few toned coins in my collection, but even IMHO I have no true monsters but some get close to the border of the monster state line. One usually thinks of Morgans when this term comes up.



    My definition would be:



    Great knockout color that impresses the non-collectors too.

    Blazing or attractive luster that shows thru the color.

    No special way to tilt the coin, it looks good no matter what angle. Not a fan of coins where something 'pops' only at a very specific, microscopic angle.



    My Toned Dollars
  • ProfLizProfLiz Posts: 260 ✭✭✭✭
    I think it's in the eye and mind of the beholder, like PQ, high-end, or any other subjective coin term.



    I bought this one from a respected dealer in toned Morgans, and he didn't consider it a monster. But it certainly meets Erik's criteria. (And it is the one coin in my whole collection that my husband finds impressive!)



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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same here but I would consider only a handful as monster toned examples Here's one.
    Coins with caked on toning where it blocks the luster, I wouldn't call MT coins.


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For me the coin has to be of high grade and posses remarkable toning, not just toned. My 1885 IHC is PCGS PR67BN:

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    My 1859 IHC is PR65+ which not a top pop grade, but there is nothing above it in grade that has any toning. So I would consider it a monster Toned coin as well:

    image

    For me, I think a Monster Toned coin will have spectacular toning and also be of a very high grade.

    OINK
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never really understood those terms used for incredible strike and eye appeal... As would you call a very attractive woman a Monster or Moose?



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  • Rooster1Rooster1 Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are so many beautiful coins in this thread. However, IMO opinion there is only one Monster posted so far



    mark
    Walker Proof Digital Album
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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great thread! Here`s a few of what I consider monsters... Great eye appeal, stunning color and technically solid... TDN those are not monsters but absolute Godzillas! I held back my Godzillas for a thread on those... image Totally a different criteria all together... image

    ABimage

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Broadstruck

    Never really understood those terms used for incredible strike and eye appeal... As would you call a very attractive woman a Monster or Moose?





    better to call a female a moose then to call her a proper name of a female moose

    i learned this upon being inducted into a moose lodge image



    oink....

    now there's some right there....thanks for sharing those



    rooster1

    we need a better image of that 57 lincoln and a reverse too

    i'm really digging that



    of course now aurora borealis

    that 56' frankie's obverse is off the charts

    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Justacommeman
    True monsters toned coins do not need to be described as such. They just are.






    Rarely does the owner of such a coin describes it himself as such. The "others" do that for him/her...





    +1







    You know it when you see it.
  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AB,

    Your 1846-L IHC is the BEST 1864 PR1864 hands down because of the toning. This coin is a true MONSTER. I know what you paid for it. You really SUCK.



    OINK
  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: OldIndianNutKase
    AB,

    Your 1846-L IHC is the BEST 1864 PR1864 hands down because of the toning. This coin is a true MONSTER. I know what you paid for it. You really SUCK.



    OINK


    Thank you! Your 85 67BN is an absolute MONSTER! Yet that 59 borders on the Godzilla category! image

    ABimage

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AuroraBorealis
    Originally posted by: OldIndianNutKase
    AB,

    Your 1846-L IHC is the BEST 1864 PR1864 hands down because of the toning. This coin is a true MONSTER. I know what you paid for it. You really SUCK.



    OINK


    Thank you! Your 85 67BN is an absolute MONSTER! Yet that 59 borders on the Godzilla category! image

    ABimage



    Bur I paid tooooo much for both. You robbed the bank.

    OINK
  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: wondercoin
    A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of an incredible Monster Toned coin. Mother nature's work of art! Wondercoin


    image


    Monster IMHO image

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Justacommeman

    There are so many beautiful coins in this thread. However, IMO opinion there is only one Monster posted so far



    mark






    PM with that one. I can sort of see 2-3 coins qualifying. And I don't think there would be agreement even on those 2-3. The standards for monster should be in line with PCGS standards for highest level of eye appeal ("exceptional").
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had that wrong. A PCGS monster has to be better than "positive" and approaching or exceeding "amazing" per PCGS eye appeal guidelines.



    What is it with this new program where your edit bar disappears into the side margin right after you post? I find this happending regularly on my posts. So rather than correct my post above, I have to make a new one. Sheesh.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What ya do is post an image and let those interested in it decide for them self if it qualifies.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know one when I see one.
  • Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭✭
    Totally black the obverse.. Bright white on reverse
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TONEDDOLLARS
    Originally posted by: wondercoin
    A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of an incredible Monster Toned coin. Mother nature's work of art! Wondercoin


    image


    That is NOT a monster toned coin IMO



    image

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