@Walkerguy21D said:
I agree. If you steal someone else's money (not exactly what happened here) and take credit for being charitable with it, does it make you a "great guy"?
@mrearlygold said:
Wow it's been years now is Mark a free man?
Probably did 1 year and got credit for good time. I guess he has been out since early 2017. I hope he got that 1 job they were ready to pay him $250K and up. I would take that job.
And if the quote from Heritage is accurate, "the company would hire Yaffe if he was available and pay him between $250,000 and $500,000 a year.", that doesn't reflect very well on Heritage.
I agree. Unless of course his wages were garnished. Yeah, right. But.....it sounds like he was doing it for " THE CHILDREN. " If he was as smart as he's made out to be he would have chosen politics over coins for his profession. Then, he could have pulled off all the scams his little heart desired. Probably make more money and never see the inside of a jail cell. How smart is he?
THE PHOENIX GOLD CORPORATION
Florida Department Of State Business Registration · Updated 2/14/2018
The Phoenix Gold Corporation is a Florida Domestic Profit Corporation filed on August 4, 2009 . The company's filing status is listed as Active and its File Number is P09000066231.
The Registered Agent on file for this company is Wehle Gerard F and is located at 6987 E Fowler Ave, Tampa, FL 33617. The company's principal address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618 and its mailing address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618.
The company has 2 principals on record. The principals are** Christel Yaffe from Tampa FL and Mark Yaffe** from Tampa FL.
There are people on this forum who know him. I wonder if they will chime in here.
I never met him. Don't know him. I did know National Gold Exchange, though.
NGE was a major importer of world and U.S. gold from Europe. They had a large inventory of gold coins at wholesale levels. I bought gold coins from them from 2002 to 2006 or so, I believe. I became acquainted with one of their salesmen and when I called him, he would tell me what new inventory had come in and he knew what I was looking for and would pick out some of the nice ones for me.
After around 2006 it seemed like they kind of wound down. The salesman I knew quit and I moved to other sources for coins. But NGE sure worked well for me in their heyday.
THE PHOENIX GOLD CORPORATION
Florida Department Of State Business Registration · Updated 2/14/2018
The Phoenix Gold Corporation is a Florida Domestic Profit Corporation filed on August 4, 2009 . The company's filing status is listed as Active and its File Number is P09000066231.
The Registered Agent on file for this company is Wehle Gerard F and is located at 6987 E Fowler Ave, Tampa, FL 33617. The company's principal address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618 and its mailing address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618.
The company has 2 principals on record. The principals are** Christel Yaffe from Tampa FL and Mark Yaffe** from Tampa FL.
Yes. That is his company. I work for Mark at ICG. In my life I have only had one rotten boss. The others have all been absolutely wonderful. I would put Mark at the top but when each boss has been a 9 or 10 out of 10, the top is overcrowded and the differences are too minor to rank them.
THE PHOENIX GOLD CORPORATION
Florida Department Of State Business Registration · Updated 2/14/2018
The Phoenix Gold Corporation is a Florida Domestic Profit Corporation filed on August 4, 2009 . The company's filing status is listed as Active and its File Number is P09000066231.
The Registered Agent on file for this company is Wehle Gerard F and is located at 6987 E Fowler Ave, Tampa, FL 33617. The company's principal address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618 and its mailing address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618.
The company has 2 principals on record. The principals are** Christel Yaffe from Tampa FL and Mark Yaffe** from Tampa FL.
Yes. That is his company. I work for Mark at ICG. In my life I have only had one rotten boss. The others have all been absolutely wonderful. I would put Mark at the top but when each boss has been a 9 or 10 out of 10, the top is overcrowded and the differences are too minor to rank them.
Sorry, but I just can't stand people who swindle other people out of their hard earned money. It's just a thing with me.
@PTVETTER said:
I know and consider him a friend.
What surprises me is the number of people that don’t know the whole story making comments!
Hi @ptvetter, I've heard the whole story, or at least what was described as the whole story, and you might note I've not made any such comments. But I'm curious as to what you heard and how you might defend his actions, to the extent you're comfortable sharing. Thanks...Mike
p.s. are you local?
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
I have known Mark since he was 19 years old and living in the Boston area. On the surfaces Mark has always been very nice to me and no problem. The story about what happened is much deeper then what the public knows. There are two sub plots involving a neighbor who is a felon from insider trading activity (one of the biggest in the world) and Marks own brother. I doubt we will ever know the exact story.
Mark still goes to show and obviously is much humbled by all that has happened. I have done some minor biz with him. Hes does have many friends who are doing biz with him.
Of all banks to pick, he picked the bank were my biz had a huge unsecured credit line. Right after they discovered the fraud, the execs came to us and said-we don't want your types in here any more. Grrr.....Of course all this makes me mad, but again, even I do not know the 100% full story from he 2 sub plots above I mentioned-they were major contributors to this mess
Theft is not "Theft". It varies by levels of social standing. Bottom of the ladder fill our prisons and as one climbs the ladder punishment levels reduce. Always have and always will. JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
@jesbroken said:
Theft is not "Theft". It varies by levels of social standing. Bottom of the ladder fill our prisons and as one climbs the ladder punishment levels reduce. Always have and always will. JMO
Jim
I understand what you are saying and it probably true.
As for those saying I am be judgemental and goody too shoes...........How do you justify stealing 3 million dollars no matter what the circumstances are??
@DIMEMAN said: "As for those saying I am be judgemental and goody too shoes...........How do you justify stealing 3 million dollars no matter what the circumstances are??"
No one is justifying anything. All criminals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and either hang, have a hand chopped off, or serve time if found guilty! That includes, women, high power politicians, and folks with powerful friends in government agencies and on the bench. Unfortunately, "justice" is not blind and she plays favorites.
Once time is served, the clock starts again. I know of over a dozen coin dealers who have crossed the line in business. Many are very well known and liked. Many returned to the coin business at a later date. Some have been welcomed back with open arms and many of you are too young to even know about any of this.
Laura has divulged parts of the case that no one ever heard of. If you knew the entire "drama" you might look at Mark in a different light - however he was found guilty of something and served his time in spite of a long list of character references.
Why any of this "old news" even appeared again on CU is a mystery to me. Perhaps a thread of all the transgressions of the past by major coin dealers would give posters another "thrill." I'll remind all of you that virtually none of us are "Saints" in spite of how hard we may try.
@Insider2 said: @DIMEMAN said: "As for those saying I am be judgemental and goody too shoes...........How do you justify stealing 3 million dollars no matter what the circumstances are??"
No one is justifying anything. All criminals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and either hang, have a hand chopped off, or serve time if found guilty! That includes, women, high power politicians, and folks with powerful friends in government agencies and on the bench. Unfortunately, "justice" is not blind and she plays favorites.
Once time is served, the clock starts again. I know of over a dozen coin dealers who have crossed the line in business. Many are very well known and liked. Many returned to the coin business at a later date. Some have been welcomed back with open arms and many of you are too young to even know about any of this.
Laura has divulged parts of the case that no one ever heard of. If you knew the entire "drama" you might look at Mark in a different light - however he was found guilty of something and served his time in spite of a long list of character references.
Why any of this "old news" even appeared again on CU is a mystery to me. Perhaps a thread of all the transgressions of the past by major coin dealers would give posters another "thrill." I'll remind all of you that virtually none of us are "Saints" in spite of how hard we may try.
I didn't realize this was old news and completely understand where you are coming from now.
@Insider2 said:
Why any of this "old news" even appeared again on CU is a mystery to me. Perhaps a thread of all the transgressions of the past by major coin dealers would give posters another "thrill." I'll remind all of you that virtually none of us are "Saints" in spite of how hard we may try.
I, for one, am glad this kind of stuff gets aired publicly. That's the nice thing about the digital era, it's a lot harder to run from your past transgressions with no repercussions. You have to wear your stains, for better or worse... The concept of informed consent after due diligence in business is something that should be drilled into everybody's brains, that way if something goes south, the aggrieved party know they are at least partially to blame.
I agree. I especially enjoy catching lying politicians by playing an old video!
it's time for a moment of self-reflection if you ever find yourself rationalizing the asset protection benefits of building a replica of Versailles in Florida
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"Education is not the learning of facts, but the training of the mind to think." - Albert Einstein
Or John Gotti
EAC 6024
Wow - totally forgot about this thread....and its been less than 3 years!
He's working at ICG: http://www.icgcoin.com/about/the-team/
With his phenomenal knowledge in numismatics, I'm surprised he hasn't been offered a top level job at a numismatic firm.
Probably did 1 year and got credit for good time. I guess he has been out since early 2017. I hope he got that 1 job they were ready to pay him $250K and up. I would take that job.
I agree. Unless of course his wages were garnished. Yeah, right. But.....it sounds like he was doing it for " THE CHILDREN. " If he was as smart as he's made out to be he would have chosen politics over coins for his profession. Then, he could have pulled off all the scams his little heart desired. Probably make more money and never see the inside of a jail cell. How smart is he?
Forget it.
Hey, that's nothing, I did 30+ years in prison !!!
Working as a Clinical Supervisor with the Department of Public Safety !!!
Still there are some great prison movies, "The Birdman of Alcatraz"; "The Green Mile"; "Papillon"; "Escape from Alcatraz", etc..
Is this the company??
THE PHOENIX GOLD CORPORATION
Florida Department Of State Business Registration · Updated 2/14/2018
The Phoenix Gold Corporation is a Florida Domestic Profit Corporation filed on August 4, 2009 . The company's filing status is listed as Active and its File Number is P09000066231.
The Registered Agent on file for this company is Wehle Gerard F and is located at 6987 E Fowler Ave, Tampa, FL 33617. The company's principal address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618 and its mailing address is 14499 N. Dale Mabry Hwy Suite 159, Tampa, FL 33618.
The company has 2 principals on record. The principals are** Christel Yaffe from Tampa FL and Mark Yaffe** from Tampa FL.
https://www.bizapedia.com/fl/the-phoenix-gold-corporation.html
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@1630Boston That is the same strip mall that NGE was in, and I believe Phoenix is his newest business. Will try and find out.
There are people on this forum who know him. I wonder if they will chime in here.
I never met him. Don't know him. I did know National Gold Exchange, though.
NGE was a major importer of world and U.S. gold from Europe. They had a large inventory of gold coins at wholesale levels. I bought gold coins from them from 2002 to 2006 or so, I believe. I became acquainted with one of their salesmen and when I called him, he would tell me what new inventory had come in and he knew what I was looking for and would pick out some of the nice ones for me.
After around 2006 it seemed like they kind of wound down. The salesman I knew quit and I moved to other sources for coins. But NGE sure worked well for me in their heyday.
I know and consider him a friend.
What surprises me is the number of people that don’t know the whole story making comments!
I think he should rot in jail!
You stone thrower. LOL.
.> @1630Boston said:
Yes. That is his company. I work for Mark at ICG. In my life I have only had one rotten boss. The others have all been absolutely wonderful. I would put Mark at the top but when each boss has been a 9 or 10 out of 10, the top is overcrowded and the differences are too minor to rank them.
Sorry, but I just can't stand people who swindle other people out of their hard earned money. It's just a thing with me.
@DIMEMAN said: "Sorry, but I just can't stand people who swindle other people out of their hard earned money. It's just a thing with me."
Well, you know more than I do as you obviously read the entire transcript of the legal case.
I'm sorry too. Besides criminals, I can't stand opinionated goody-two-shoes and judgemental, rock throwing
. Of course that's not either of us. 
Hi @ptvetter, I've heard the whole story, or at least what was described as the whole story, and you might note I've not made any such comments. But I'm curious as to what you heard and how you might defend his actions, to the extent you're comfortable sharing. Thanks...Mike
p.s. are you local?
Please share the whole story then. All I know is what has been said here...
I have known Mark since he was 19 years old and living in the Boston area. On the surfaces Mark has always been very nice to me and no problem. The story about what happened is much deeper then what the public knows. There are two sub plots involving a neighbor who is a felon from insider trading activity (one of the biggest in the world) and Marks own brother. I doubt we will ever know the exact story.
Mark still goes to show and obviously is much humbled by all that has happened. I have done some minor biz with him. Hes does have many friends who are doing biz with him.
Of all banks to pick, he picked the bank were my biz had a huge unsecured credit line. Right after they discovered the fraud, the execs came to us and said-we don't want your types in here any more. Grrr.....Of course all this makes me mad, but again, even I do not know the 100% full story from he 2 sub plots above I mentioned-they were major contributors to this mess
Theft is not "Theft". It varies by levels of social standing. Bottom of the ladder fill our prisons and as one climbs the ladder punishment levels reduce. Always have and always will. JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I understand what you are saying and it probably true.
As for those saying I am be judgemental and goody too shoes...........How do you justify stealing 3 million dollars no matter what the circumstances are??
Seems like there was a lot of money to be made in gold back then. He had a 7 million trust fund for his family.
As far as a nice guy? I don't know.
Man, did you see the guy's mansion??
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299383/Disgraced-Florida-gold-dealers-faux-British-mansion-slashed-half-original-25million-asking-price.html
@DIMEMAN said: "As for those saying I am be judgemental and goody too shoes...........How do you justify stealing 3 million dollars no matter what the circumstances are??"
No one is justifying anything. All criminals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and either hang, have a hand chopped off, or serve time if found guilty! That includes, women, high power politicians, and folks with powerful friends in government agencies and on the bench. Unfortunately, "justice" is not blind and she plays favorites.
Once time is served, the clock starts again. I know of over a dozen coin dealers who have crossed the line in business. Many are very well known and liked. Many returned to the coin business at a later date. Some have been welcomed back with open arms and many of you are too young to even know about any of this.
Laura has divulged parts of the case that no one ever heard of. If you knew the entire "drama" you might look at Mark in a different light - however he was found guilty of something and served his time in spite of a long list of character references.
Why any of this "old news" even appeared again on CU is a mystery to me. Perhaps a thread of all the transgressions of the past by major coin dealers would give posters another "thrill." I'll remind all of you that virtually none of us are "Saints" in spite of how hard we may try.
I didn't realize this was old news and completely understand where you are coming from now.
I had a customer who built a classy 20,000 square foot house north end of town, more of a hobby project, I don't think he lived it in as the wife liked smaller scale. There are plenty of people like that in the NY (and other) areas. He beat NYC out of falsely claimed taxes owed: https://abovethelaw.com/2016/02/why-this-judge-may-be-one-of-the-only-supreme-court-nominees-worth-considering/
I agree. I especially enjoy catching lying politicians by playing an old video!
Is it true that he was ordered to pay restitution and, if so, has that been done?
Some issues are private.
Not to be rude but it maybe none of you business!
Bought a lot of coins from NGE in the day many great deals super co do business with.
it's time for a moment of self-reflection if you ever find yourself rationalizing the asset protection benefits of building a replica of Versailles in Florida