I suspect there's at least one owned by members here.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
BarnDog: thanks for pointing out the articles. Enjoyable to read!
I am glad that Ron has been further researching and reporting upon the coins with the Oswald pedigree. Some of these are terrific and they are all very important in the history of coin collecting.
We should also acknowledge that fascinating article by David Tripp in the Pogue II catalogue, Stack's-Bowers, 2015, pp. 94-99. Tripp reports that William Strickland, a British "coin collector," was visiting the U.S. during 1795. Evidently, Strickland, the collector Charles Winn, and holders of "St Oswald" titles were all members of the same broad family. According to Tripp, an uncle of Strickland was also a grandfather of Charles Winn, and Winn became Strickland's son-in-law. Charles Winn was the father of the first Baron St. Oswald. Tripp may have solved the mystery and established a chain of custody from 1795 to 1964.
Admittedly, I honestly believe that Tripp's position regarding 1933 Double Eagles is potentially harmful to coin collectors. Suppose, imaginatively though plausibly, that some or all of the "Oswald" 1794 and 1795 coins left the Philadelphia Mint in 1795 or 1796, without clear surviving entries in a Cashier's Ledger. Would anyone then maintain that these were stolen and now property of the U.S. Mint as it has been said that 1933 Double Eagles were stolen mostly because there were not clear entries for 1933 Double Eagles in a Cashier's Ledger at the Philadelphia Mint? Is someone who says that 1933 Double Eagles were stolen also implicitly maintaining that Oswald coins were stolen too?
The William Strickland pedigree is fascinating. During Strickland's trip to the US, he visited with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others. Furthermore, William Strickland and George Washington are related so the the Lord St. Oswald coins have an interesting tie to George Washington.
Also interesting is the number of coins with whereabouts that are currently unknown.
Lord St. Oswald also had a collection of British coins, which should come as no surprise. Being a Yorkshire family, the Winns also took interest in Anglo-Saxon Northumbrian coins, which is my area of interest. I only own one coin that I can conclusively say is from this collection, a styca which is from a 1981 Christie's sale. The sale was called "Property of a Nobleman." The coin is plated in a 1981 account of the sale by the contemporary authority on Northumbrian coins. It originally came from a large hoard of such coins found in 1847 at Bolton Percy, and was sold with numerous others to a Charles Winn who was a collector member of the family, and probably the fellow who owned the 1794 dollars.
Here is my "Lord St. Oswald" piece, an English Northumbrian "styca" of King Eanred.
Is there really any sense to debate the legality/monetization/cashier window ledgers on 1933 $20's and other significant regular issue US coinage.....when there are no records on all the fantasy coins that got out of the mint from 1793-1913 (ie 1804 dollars of all 3 types, 1913 Lib nickels, 1894-s dimes, thousands of patterns, etc.). I find it fascinating that 1913 Lib nickels, and Type 2/3 1804 dollars get no scrutiny even though we know they were made under far more questionable conditions than 1933 $20's having left their vault in the 1930's.
Assay coins like 1873-cc NA dime/quarters or 1853-0 NA halves are another such issue. The 1933 $20's got caught up in the middle of politics, world financial conditions, and the great depression (ie it made the black list). The fact that the US Treasury Secretary in 1933 owned a 1933 $20 Saint makes the debate all the more illogical. The only way to muddy it further were if FDR owned one.
Be sure to read my series on the Lord St. Oswald coins here.
This quote from Ron's blog intrigued me:
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The coins were not bouncing about, loose and unprotected, in a cigar box. Rather, the coins were housed in a coin cabinet constructed by Thomas Chippendale, whose name is revered among furniture collectors.
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Where is that coin cabinet now, I wonder?
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I am glad that Ron has been further researching and reporting upon the coins with the Oswald pedigree. Some of these are terrific and they are all very important in the history of coin collecting.
We should also acknowledge that fascinating article by David Tripp in the Pogue II catalogue, Stack's-Bowers, 2015, pp. 94-99. Tripp reports that William Strickland, a British "coin collector," was visiting the U.S. during 1795. Evidently, Strickland, the collector Charles Winn, and holders of "St Oswald" titles were all members of the same broad family. According to Tripp, an uncle of Strickland was also a grandfather of Charles Winn, and Winn became Strickland's son-in-law. Charles Winn was the father of the first Baron St. Oswald. Tripp may have solved the mystery and established a chain of custody from 1795 to 1964.
Recommended Reading: Tripp's Article on the Strickland-Winn-Oswald Pedigree
Mentions of the Oswald Pedigree in Some of My Articles
Admittedly, I honestly believe that Tripp's position regarding 1933 Double Eagles is potentially harmful to coin collectors. Suppose, imaginatively though plausibly, that some or all of the "Oswald" 1794 and 1795 coins left the Philadelphia Mint in 1795 or 1796, without clear surviving entries in a Cashier's Ledger. Would anyone then maintain that these were stolen and now property of the U.S. Mint as it has been said that 1933 Double Eagles were stolen mostly because there were not clear entries for 1933 Double Eagles in a Cashier's Ledger at the Philadelphia Mint? Is someone who says that 1933 Double Eagles were stolen also implicitly maintaining that Oswald coins were stolen too?
Analysis of the Verdict in the Switt-Langbord Case, with comments by QDB and David Ganz
In any event, David Tripp deserves a great deal of credit for his article about the Oswald pedigree and his theory regarding William Strickland.
Also interesting is the number of coins with whereabouts that are currently unknown.
Here is my "Lord St. Oswald" piece, an English Northumbrian "styca" of King Eanred.
Assay coins like 1873-cc NA dime/quarters or 1853-0 NA halves are another such issue. The 1933 $20's got caught up in the middle of politics, world financial conditions, and the great depression (ie it made the black list). The fact that the US Treasury Secretary in 1933 owned a 1933 $20 Saint makes the debate all the more illogical. The only way to muddy it further were if FDR owned one.
collector that I am. Thanks.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Be sure to read my series on the Lord St. Oswald coins here.
This quote from Ron's blog intrigued me:
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The coins were not bouncing about, loose and unprotected, in a cigar box. Rather, the coins were housed in a coin cabinet constructed by Thomas Chippendale, whose name is revered among furniture collectors.
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Where is that coin cabinet now, I wonder?
Right where the Winn Family left it -- at Nostell Priory.
Betts medals, colonial coins, US Mint medals, foreign coins found in early America, and other numismatic Americana
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]