I love me some eBay fraud
dib
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The coin: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-L...ent-Coin-/221953741962
Yesterday, I quickly bought and paid for this coin very soon after it had been listed. It became clear afterwards it was a fraudulent listing when the only coins the seller (who’s from Latvia) had sold were 1913 nickels. I didn't even notice beforehand that the seller was from a foreign country, and I had no reason to believe the 1794 cent was a fake. If I had taken the time to check his completed listings, and somebody else had hit buy it now before me, I would have kicked myself for years if it had in fact been a genuine listing.
Upon knowing that the guy was a con man, I *****umed he had used pictures found online of a real 1794 cent, and was purporting to be the owner of the coin. Yup, the VF-30 example in the URL below is the coin he used for the listing:
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htmhttp://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htm
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpghttp://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpg
I called eBay and asked them to cancel the transaction and refund me, because the guy was a fraudster. I told them the only other coins he had sold were fakes (they were 1913 nickels for crying out loud), and I gave them the website URL that had pictures of the 1794 cent in question. I thought now they would obviously understand it was a fraudulent listing, and would cancel the transaction and refund me... but this wasn't the case. The lady was under the impression that it was all just a big misunderstanding.
They told me to directly contact the seller and request they cancel the transaction, and that "usually the seller will agree to cancelling the transaction". Seriously?... Why would a reasonable person believe that a seller, who knowingly was trying to con a buyer, would agree to cancel a transaction and refund the buyer? It doesn't make any sense, and the lady was dumbfounded when I asked her "What happens if the seller refuses to cancel the transaction, and marks the item as shipped?" - Her response was "You can return the coin after you get it and they'll refund you". Laughable, considering the guy was using pictures of a coin he didn't have. She finally transferred me to another person who was slightly more helpful. He opened up a fraud case for the item, but again, he couldn't put together the pieces of the puzzle and cancel the transaction.
I got a message today from eBay that said: "We couldn't cancel your order because the seller already shipped it"... fantastic. If they had simply cancelled the transaction and refunded me (considering the information I provided to them clearly showed this guy was a con man), it would have been over and done with on my end. I imagine it will now take a while before I end up getting refunded. Ebay outsourcing their customer service department to another country makes everything excruciating to say the least.
End rant. (Edited for formatting)
Yesterday, I quickly bought and paid for this coin very soon after it had been listed. It became clear afterwards it was a fraudulent listing when the only coins the seller (who’s from Latvia) had sold were 1913 nickels. I didn't even notice beforehand that the seller was from a foreign country, and I had no reason to believe the 1794 cent was a fake. If I had taken the time to check his completed listings, and somebody else had hit buy it now before me, I would have kicked myself for years if it had in fact been a genuine listing.
Upon knowing that the guy was a con man, I *****umed he had used pictures found online of a real 1794 cent, and was purporting to be the owner of the coin. Yup, the VF-30 example in the URL below is the coin he used for the listing:
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htmhttp://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htm
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpghttp://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpg
I called eBay and asked them to cancel the transaction and refund me, because the guy was a fraudster. I told them the only other coins he had sold were fakes (they were 1913 nickels for crying out loud), and I gave them the website URL that had pictures of the 1794 cent in question. I thought now they would obviously understand it was a fraudulent listing, and would cancel the transaction and refund me... but this wasn't the case. The lady was under the impression that it was all just a big misunderstanding.
They told me to directly contact the seller and request they cancel the transaction, and that "usually the seller will agree to cancelling the transaction". Seriously?... Why would a reasonable person believe that a seller, who knowingly was trying to con a buyer, would agree to cancel a transaction and refund the buyer? It doesn't make any sense, and the lady was dumbfounded when I asked her "What happens if the seller refuses to cancel the transaction, and marks the item as shipped?" - Her response was "You can return the coin after you get it and they'll refund you". Laughable, considering the guy was using pictures of a coin he didn't have. She finally transferred me to another person who was slightly more helpful. He opened up a fraud case for the item, but again, he couldn't put together the pieces of the puzzle and cancel the transaction.
I got a message today from eBay that said: "We couldn't cancel your order because the seller already shipped it"... fantastic. If they had simply cancelled the transaction and refunded me (considering the information I provided to them clearly showed this guy was a con man), it would have been over and done with on my end. I imagine it will now take a while before I end up getting refunded. Ebay outsourcing their customer service department to another country makes everything excruciating to say the least.
End rant. (Edited for formatting)
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The coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-L...ent-Coin-/221953741962
Yesterday, I quickly bought and paid for this coin very soon after it had been listed. It became clear afterwards it was a fraudulent listing when the only coins the seller (who’s from Latvia) had sold were 1913 nickels. I didn't even notice beforehand that the seller was from a foreign country, and I had no reason to believe the 1794 cent was a fake. If I had taken the time to check his completed listings, and somebody else had hit buy it now before me, I would have kicked myself for years if it had in fact been a genuine listing.
Upon knowing that the guy was a con man, I *****umed he had used pictures found online of a real 1794 cent, and was purporting to be the owner of the coin. Yup, the VF-30 example in the URL below is the coin he used for the listing:
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htm
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpg
I called eBay and asked them to cancel the transaction and refund me, because the guy was a fraudster. I told them the only other coins he had sold were fakes (they were 1913 nickels for crying out loud), and I gave them the website URL that had pictures of the 1794 cent in question. I thought now they would obviously understand it was a fraudulent listing, and would cancel the transaction and refund me... but this wasn't the case. The lady was under the impression that it was all just a big misunderstanding.
They told me to directly contact the seller and request they cancel the transaction, and that "usually the seller will agree to cancelling the transaction". Seriously?... Why would a reasonable person believe that a seller, who knowingly was trying to con a buyer, would agree to cancel a transaction and refund the buyer? It doesn't make any sense, and the lady was dumbfounded when I asked her "What happens if the seller refuses to cancel the transaction, and marks the item as shipped?" - Her response was "You can return the coin after you get it and they'll refund you". Laughable, considering the guy was using pictures of a coin he didn't have. She finally transferred me to another person who was slightly more helpful. He opened up a fraud case for the item, but again, he couldn't put together the pieces of the puzzle and cancel the transaction.
I got a message today from eBay that said: "We couldn't cancel your order because the seller already shipped it"... fantastic. If they had simply cancelled the transaction and refunded me (considering the information I provided to them clearly showed this guy was a con man), it would have been over and done with on my end. I imagine it will now take a while before I end up getting refunded. Ebay outsourcing their customer service department to another country makes everything excruciating to say the least.
End rant.
When it does arrive, document your opening the pkg with photos. When you get a fake or a not the coin as described you can move forward with ebay.
If it's a counterfeit then you get to get your money back and keep the slug (it is illegal to ship counterfeit US coins through the US mails). Just work with ebay and you may be required to post pics to them.
If it is not as described you get free shipping back to seller. Just use the ebay system for printing the return postage.
It will end well for you,
bob
Lance - how do u do paragraph breaks on this new version of the forum. Sorry a bit OT.
By being one of the lucky ones.
Actually, I'm not kidding. It seems to affect some and not others.
I had the problem for a day or two after the transition but not since. Go figure.
Those who do have the problem can supposedly use HTML breaks.
("less than" symbol, br, "greater than" symbol- no spaces in between.)
I can't even type those "greater than/less than" caret symbols at all, though, even to demonstrate. I'd get an error if I did.
Thank goodness the good old Enter key line breaks work for me now.
PS- sorry- resume original topic.
what amazes me is that the posts being quoted MUST have the technical info, binary code, or whatever, in order to be quoted and thus be re-posted as intended simply by quoting.
so imo, the problem still either mostly or all, lays with the user.
if the post didnt post as intended, id say 100% it is a forum/software/hardware/cloud or whatever issue.
dib, will you quote the 2nd post, my quote, of the op post, just to quench my curiosity.
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Lance - how do u do paragraph breaks on this new version of the forum. Sorry a bit OT.
i simply press the enter key.
i think on day 1 of the switchover, i saw wysiwyg vs html and there was no choice. VAST and painful/fruitful experience has taught me that having "control - i use this loosely" on high average (coding - html etc), serves me and my intent (and the users/readers of what i type/post) best (with a small % left for chaos/unintended/unintentional benefit(s)).
i wonder if they gave the wysiwyg vs html option back and those that didnt select html from the start, would be able to do so and thus fixing/negating whatever the prob is? maybe something carried forward. although i HIGHLY doubt that of all the people that post breaks with no extra effort are able to simply because they selected html before the wysiwyg optiin was removed.
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The coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-L...ent-Coin-/221953741962
Yesterday, I quickly bought and paid for this coin very soon after it had been listed. It became clear afterwards it was a fraudulent listing when the only coins the seller (who’s from Latvia) had sold were 1913 nickels. I didn't even notice beforehand that the seller was from a foreign country, and I had no reason to believe the 1794 cent was a fake. If I had taken the time to check his completed listings, and somebody else had hit buy it now before me, I would have kicked myself for years if it had in fact been a genuine listing.
Upon knowing that the guy was a con man, I *****umed he had used pictures found online of a real 1794 cent, and was purporting to be the owner of the coin. Yup, the VF-30 example in the URL below is the coin he used for the listing:
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htm
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpg
I called eBay and asked them to cancel the transaction and refund me, because the guy was a fraudster. I told them the only other coins he had sold were fakes (they were 1913 nickels for crying out loud), and I gave them the website URL that had pictures of the 1794 cent in question. I thought now they would obviously understand it was a fraudulent listing, and would cancel the transaction and refund me... but this wasn't the case. The lady was under the impression that it was all just a big misunderstanding.
They told me to directly contact the seller and request they cancel the transaction, and that "usually the seller will agree to cancelling the transaction". Seriously?... Why would a reasonable person believe that a seller, who knowingly was trying to con a buyer, would agree to cancel a transaction and refund the buyer? It doesn't make any sense, and the lady was dumbfounded when I asked her "What happens if the seller refuses to cancel the transaction, and marks the item as shipped?" - Her response was "You can return the coin after you get it and they'll refund you". Laughable, considering the guy was using pictures of a coin he didn't have. She finally transferred me to another person who was slightly more helpful. He opened up a fraud case for the item, but again, he couldn't put together the pieces of the puzzle and cancel the transaction.
I got a message today from eBay that said: "We couldn't cancel your order because the seller already shipped it"... fantastic. If they had simply cancelled the transaction and refunded me (considering the information I provided to them clearly showed this guy was a con man), it would have been over and done with on my end. I imagine it will now take a while before I end up getting refunded. Ebay outsourcing their customer service department to another country makes everything excruciating to say the least.
End rant.
Best Regards,
George
Good luck to the OP. You will get your money back.
Geez. Why so quick to pull the trigger on an auction full of red flags?
GREED.
Can't cheat an honest man.
MANOFCOINS, please look of the definition of each and then realize YOU are the greater fool in your exchange.
ty dib
interesting that the code/structure isn't carried forward. no matter what?
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Using the "return key."
On a MacBook Pro keyboard.
Here is another test.
Using pressing the function key and the return key.
This is supposed to be the same as the enter key.
On a MacBook Pro keyboard.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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GREED.
Can't cheat an honest man.
In your whole life have ever been cheated? Not once? Are you honest? Honesty is a relative term.
The last part of that seems funny coming from you, just saying.
What an interesting statement.
MANOFCOINS, You have personally never cheated an honest man. Ok, I get it.
You are the rare exception in this coin hobby having never committed a fraud yet have yourself been victimized by thievery.
It would probably have helped if you had also noticed that this fraudster only had a 25 feedback, very low by eBay standards. Hope your case ends up well but next time be quicker to do your homework than to pull the trigger. Good luck.
Best Regards,
George
Wowser. A 25% feedback would in the bottom 1/10th of 1% of all Ebay sellers....lower than whale "$H!&." Any seller with a FB rating under 99% needs to be scrutinized. At 98% or lower the red flags should be going off for those with hundreds of feedbacks.
GREED.
Can't cheat an honest man.
In your whole life have ever been cheated? Not once? Are you honest? Honesty is a relative term.
Honest people can be easy to cheat, because they are often ready to *****ume that everyone else is like them! However, in this instance, the adage that may apply is: Things that are too good to be true, aren't!
The coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-L...ent-Coin-/221953741962
Yesterday, I quickly bought and paid for this coin very soon after it had been listed. It became clear afterwards it was a fraudulent listing when the only coins the seller (who’s from Latvia) had sold were 1913 nickels. I didn't even notice beforehand that the seller was from a foreign country, and I had no reason to believe the 1794 cent was a fake. If I had taken the time to check his completed listings, and somebody else had hit buy it now before me, I would have kicked myself for years if it had in fact been a genuine listing.
Upon knowing that the guy was a con man, I *****umed he had used pictures found online of a real 1794 cent, and was purporting to be the owner of the coin. Yup, the VF-30 example in the URL below is the coin he used for the listing:
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/grades24.htm
http://www.uscents.com/coppergrade/s24vf30.jpg
I called eBay and asked them to cancel the transaction and refund me, because the guy was a fraudster. I told them the only other coins he had sold were fakes (they were 1913 nickels for crying out loud), and I gave them the website URL that had pictures of the 1794 cent in question. I thought now they would obviously understand it was a fraudulent listing, and would cancel the transaction and refund me... but this wasn't the case. The lady was under the impression that it was all just a big misunderstanding.
They told me to directly contact the seller and request they cancel the transaction, and that "usually the seller will agree to cancelling the transaction". Seriously?... Why would a reasonable person believe that a seller, who knowingly was trying to con a buyer, would agree to cancel a transaction and refund the buyer? It doesn't make any sense, and the lady was dumbfounded when I asked her "What happens if the seller refuses to cancel the transaction, and marks the item as shipped?" - Her response was "You can return the coin after you get it and they'll refund you". Laughable, considering the guy was using pictures of a coin he didn't have. She finally transferred me to another person who was slightly more helpful. He opened up a fraud case for the item, but again, he couldn't put together the pieces of the puzzle and cancel the transaction.
I got a message today from eBay that said: "We couldn't cancel your order because the seller already shipped it"... fantastic. If they had simply cancelled the transaction and refunded me (considering the information I provided to them clearly showed this guy was a con man), it would have been over and done with on my end. I imagine it will now take a while before I end up getting refunded. Ebay outsourcing their customer service department to another country makes everything excruciating to say the least.
End rant.
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It would probably have helped if you had also noticed that this fraudster only had a 25 feedback, very low by eBay standards. Hope your case ends up well but next time be quicker to do your homework than to pull the trigger. Good luck.
Best Regards,
George
Wowser. A 25% feedback would in the bottom 1/10th of 1% of all Ebay sellers....lower than whale "$H!&." Any seller with a FB rating under 99% needs to be scrutinized. At 98% or lower the red flags should be going off for those with hundreds of feedbacks.
A total of 25 -- not 25% feedback. The seller has 100% positive feedback for 25 transactions. Still very low by eBay standards.
Fields makes the statement as a cashier in a circus he operates.
Two guys give Fields a $10 to buy a pair of tickets. Fields seems
very confused and distracted and when his attention returns to the
guys, he states "...change for a $20" "count your change before
leaving the window."
The pair scampers off, thinking they have been given too much
change.
Well, you have to see it. Check YouTube.
I had a case for $7500 on a bogus Washington (the deception) was excellent. I finally figured it out with 7 days left on my visa charge back system. PCGS and the secret service got involved.
The coin and the plastic were fake. I did get my money back but very very lucky. Time of discovery is very important. This happened about 4 years a ago just as fakes were really becoming a problem.
It was a 32-D that was a obverse of a ms65+ 32-p with the reverse of a generic D. The coin were then sandwiched together to look like a ms65+ 32-d.
Since time is not an issue with your case it should not be a problem.
Incredible. I'm glad u got your money back. The degree to which the crooks will go amazes me. If some of these crooks put the same amount of time, ingenuity and effort into ligitamate pursuits they could likely do well w/o the threat of fines and arrest. Of course I'd guess that the Chinese fraudsters are in danger of neither.
I predict you'll get an Asian fake 1794 in the mail (if indeed anything was shipped).
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
GREED.
Can't cheat an honest man.
In your whole life have ever been cheated? Not once? Are you honest? Honesty is a relative term.
Just ignore him/her, that you can't cheat an honest man is total hogwash, though it is the name of a movie from 75 years ago.
And to the OP, I think you will prevail, it just may take some patience.
Haste does indeed lead to waste.
I wish the op well, he should recover his money but what a headache.
An honest man has the fear of God and the fear of God will protect an honest man from fraud.
D.Video, you've made it a habit as of late to troll threads with your anti behavior and I'd suggest you stop.
Can't cheat an honest man.
Delusional thinking if you actually believe that... and it's hard to argue with a delusional person, so I'll just leave that alone.
INAD, done...
Yup, just going to take a while. He may have some tricks up his sleeve, but we shall see.
He owned 80% of the known population!
Great seller.
BHNC #203
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Latin American Collection
Just curious what ever became of this deal...
And why are there no NEG feedbacks yet?