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What is the coin description "Has Some Handling" supposed to mean?

stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
I see this a lot and more so lately. I have my own opinion on it. What is your opinion?
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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭
    You see this more on the paper side, I take it as AU.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To me it implies an AU58 in an MS holder; or, in the case of a coin already stated as AU, it implies a piece with no real rub, but definitely not pristine.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In retail merchandise sales it's called being "shop worn". It essentially means it is no longer brand new and has suffered wear and tear from being handled usually by customers who decline to buy. I usually picture an older proof set where the original envelope has been frayed from the proof set having been handled numerous times by customers looking for cameos and/or rare varieties.

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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lot of times I see descriptions "has some handling." And it doesn't just happen with AU coins Actually first I have heard that. And, most of the time when it says has some handling it's usually been abused, hairlined etc. So I take it as a nice way to tell me it has issues.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Usually means 'stay away'.....Cheers, RickO
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    That's a nice way of saying it's not mint, trying not to say anything bad about the item.

    Like " it has good honest wear" trying to make wear sound like a good thing.



    "This coin is in very good condition with some handling and good honest wear"

    Sounds like it is nice



    But





    "This coin has most of the details worn away"

    Sounds not so nice
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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "has some handling" I wouldn't marry herimage
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Topdollarpaid

    That's a nice way of saying it's not mint, trying not to say anything bad about the item.

    Like " it has good honest wear" trying to make wear sound like a good thing.



    "This coin is in very good condition with some handling and good honest wear"

    Sounds like it is nice



    But





    "This coin has most of the details worn away"

    Sounds not so nice




    Agree. Saying that a coin has "light wear" does not sound as good as saying it has "cabinet friction".



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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think some of these interpretations are more accurate or better than mine for coins.
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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree. Saying that a coin has "light wear" does not sound as good as saying it has "cabinet friction".


    All those word gymnastics don't work for me. Oh, and IMO wear is wear..... no cabinet friction for me. Heh

    If I see rub, I can say it is rub. I can't say how it received it for sure.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Some" is a very slippery word. I have "some" handling myself. I have "some" money and "some" land and "some" coins.



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    vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭
    It means slider to me.
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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Realone
    an excuse for its current state from a dealer or auction house.

    On a separate note I am an advocate of the theory that cabinet friction is something that can be explained logically as just that and when an ms coin is stored in a wood cabinet and slides upon opening of the cabinet one shouldn't be so hard on it to knock it far off its horse.


    See, there you go again. Am I not entitled to my opinion without you coming into threads and telling me what I should and shouldn't do?

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    BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭
    I've seen that phrase used in auction descriptions on high end graded very expensive coins,

    In the 80's cabinet friction was used in many descriptions .

    To me it implied a super slider and it was actually wear but will still call the coin uncirculated, many times it was a coin with a known provenance where it had allows been labeled as an unc coin
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It could mean a low grade MS piece with a lot of contact abrasions (bag marks, reeding marks, etc.) or it could mean an AU slider.



    Either way, it's a coin that I'd avoid.

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    WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭✭✭




    Here is a Gem 1806 quarter that "has some handling". A bit of "cabinet friction" can also be detected.







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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In my experience it means harshly cleaned with scratches and rim dings.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Circulated = Some handling

    Almost uncirculated= Some handling

    Mint State + some handling = Not UNC and not BU

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