To my knowledge, Steve will wrap vending boxes from partial or opened cases as long as he is comfortable with the authenticity. However, those boxes are not designated FASC. In addition, there are old vending boxes out there that were wrapped before the FASC became en vogue. Steve will also wrap loose boxes from Fritsch for which cases are essentially non-existent like 1971 Topps baseball.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I agree that the 3 different flips present a problem. To say that it is a frankestein box may be a little of a stretch. A monster box to me is one that has the majority of packs assembled. Out of 24 packs I would expect there to be 20 different packs. It would be very very difficult to assemble such a box. !961 Fleer wax packs are tough to come by. I recall only a handful being offered for sale in the last 5 years. It would take a very long time to piece one together. I assume that someone will ask for back scans and we will be able to see the flip #s. As stated it'll be interesting to see if the Chamberlain pack for sale has the same flip #s. Having said that i am guessing that the person who consigned the '61 Fleer box is the same person who consigned the '48 Bowman pack, the Chamberlain pack, and the '57 pack. Incredibly rare stuff. That to me gives the box a more reputable pedigree. Wondering what Steve thinks of the box? There are few auctions where the boxes and packs are not authenticated by Steve. If you were SCP--wouldn't you want Steve just to eyeball it ? That alone would increase the value and bids I am sure. So why didn't they?
i have also sent a few vending boxes to steve in the past and he does not wrap those but did tell me that vending boxes from Fritsch he would and I have no problem with that...
Originally posted by: PSASAP The mother of all unopened basketball boxes is being auctioned by SCP, beginning later this month and ending December 5. A complete 24 pack box of 1961-62 Fleer, including the box, which is graded an 8. This box should command a figure of $75k or higher, I'm guessing, but the fact that it is GAI graded may bring it down somewhat. I would be curious to know what year the box was graded, which would indicate the reliability of the grades.
I agree it is an awesome collection of packs for sale but I will take the "way under" bet on your $75k expectation. And it's not because the market is softening or not I just view that as a stratospheric prediction.
The 61 Fleer box did finish under $75k but not by much so I would say for a put together box like this one it greatly exceeded my final price expectations. The auction also had a GAI 1957 pack finish at $15k which I thought was a very strong price too. So maybe basketball unopened is best unopened for investment. Prices still seem to be rising. 1961 Fleer box
well I'm confused, i had a 71 vending box from fritsch that steve wouldn't wrap, sight unseen, though pics showed the separate collation "marks",,,who knows, ,,maybe he was having a bad day....
oh well, this 61 fleer box is sweet, i would have loved to have one of these..of course, i know...ha...im starting to really like this set...uh oh
Interested in higher grade vintage cards. Aren't we all.
well I'm confused, i had a 71 vending box from fritsch that steve wouldn't wrap, sight unseen, though pics showed the separate collation "marks",,,who knows, ,,maybe he was having a bad day....
oh well, this 61 fleer box is sweet, i would have loved to have one of these..of course, i know...ha...im starting to really like this set...uh oh
He won't wrap it second-hand from Fritsch~only from Fritsch himself.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
ah, that made the mud clear...thanks....so if you buy it, do u have it sent to steve directly?...or does fritsch have boxes prewrapped from steve?...if you have time to answer, its not that important...but interesting,cool to learn
and funny that we got to a 61 fleer box and 71 vending when the OP has $500 to invest
Interested in higher grade vintage cards. Aren't we all.
ah, that made the mud clear...thanks....so if you buy it, do u have it sent to steve directly?...or does fritsch have boxes prewrapped from steve?...if you have time to answer, its not that important...but interesting,cool to learn
and funny that we got to a 61 fleer box and 71 vending when the OP has $500 to invest
Yes, the boxes from Fritsch that Steve individually wraps are sent to Steve by Fritsch himself. Collect Auctions acquires much of its unopened product via this method.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Originally posted by: seebelow thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Tim - what do you think is the oldest vending/rack boxes that Fritsch still has on the shelf. Would assume 1975/75 mini, but do you think some older ones still exist out there?
thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Tim - what do you think is the oldest vending/rack boxes that Fritsch still has on the shelf. Would assume 1975/75 mini, but do you think some older ones still exist out there?
KC
KC~For baseball, at least, I believe they have vending boxes going back to the late 60s. Over the last 20 years, at least, I have not seen them sell any racks in quantity earlier than 1979 baseball, so I don't believe they have much in that regard for rack boxes, at least.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thank you. So you think Fritsch has 74-77 vending or rack boxes for sale?
Definitely not rack, but possibly vending. I say possibly, because if the boxes aren't listed in their catalogue (or in some cases, even if they are) acquiring said product can be a challenging task.
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Just about everything in that Collect Auction seems like a nice deal. For the sake of the industry, there better be plenty of last-minute bidding action.
Originally posted by: SOM Just about everything in that Collect Auction seems like a nice deal. For the sake of the industry, there better be plenty of last-minute bidding action.
Comparatively speaking, though, 79 rack cases are not as difficult to find vs other issues, even later ones. I have not seen a sealed case of 1980 or 1981 racks, for example, in quite a while, while 79 rack boxes even FASC have surfaced on more than several occasions in recent months.. 79 product, in general, still seems fairly plentiful, even in case form, relatively speaking.
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At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83. Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks. Prefer to buy in bulk.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
While a few ended up being a deal (Is 74T FB wax usually that price? Seems relatively inexpensive.), looks like most went for market or above. I guess we have a current market value for the 86F BkB, and the 81D Golf box has to be the highest one of those has ever sold for.
I think you still have some good value with the early 80-83 boxes in all three brands. Steve has a good selection in racks, cellos, and wax. I'm not a fan of vending, but that's just my preference. Go ahead and pull the trigger, you will not regret it. Prices just keep edging up, just understand you are looking for small but steady gains. I have tons of this stuff 83-93 that was purchased mostly back in the year it was issued. So I have held this stuff 20-30 years and am just now seeing 78-82 move. For some reason 1983T prices have dropped over the last couple of years, But, I purchased boxes in 91-93 that can still be found at 50% of what I paid back in the day, because of the hype years. Things are different now, as Topps makes tons of dozens of products, instead of tons of 1-2 products. I think some of the boxes with Harper and Trout rookies will maintain value and grow as they approach certain milestones, Perhaps Bowman Draft and Chrome products, and of course some Topps boxes would be good. Have fun, keep them in containers and away from water and bugs.
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Strong prices for Fleer basketball product, especially that 88-89 box at $2500.
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At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
I noticed Steve put FASC on a '77 box. I saw it on ebay yesterday, I'll try and find the link. Of course, could of been a case that was cracked recently.
How can the auction house put FASC in their description but it's not on the vending box? Would Steve confirm this you think?
Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83. Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks. Prefer to buy in bulk.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
I noticed Steve put FASC on a '77 box. I saw it on ebay yesterday, I'll try and find the link. Of course, could of been a case that was cracked recently.
How can the auction house put FASC in their description but it's not on the vending box? Would Steve confirm this you think?
There have been a few 77 wax cases, including the one in the current break, that have been cracked over the past few years.
Steve will not wrap loose vending boxes unless they are from a case. The exception to this rule is boxes from Fritsch, which Steve does wrap. All of the tougher vending boxes that have recently come to market, from early 70s baseball, etc, are from Fritsch but not FASC, though Fritsch is the original owner. Also, Steve wrapped many vending boxes years ago that are FASC before the acronym was coined, so those boxes will not bear that inscription, either.
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exactly...i was thinking the same...how many cards per pack?
Definitely not my item for sale, but this tampered pack listing says 5 cards per pack.
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The mother of all unopened basketball boxes is being auctioned by SCP, beginning later this month and ending December 5. A complete 24 pack box of 1961-62 Fleer, including the box, which is graded an 8. This box should command a figure of $75k or higher, I'm guessing, but the fact that it is GAI graded may bring it down somewhat. I would be curious to know what year the box was graded, which would indicate the reliability of the grades.
I agree it is an awesome collection of packs for sale but I will take the "way under" bet on your $75k expectation. And it's not because the market is softening or not I just view that as a stratospheric prediction.
The 61 Fleer box did finish under $75k but not by much so I would say for a put together box like this one it greatly exceeded my final price expectations. The auction also had a GAI 1957 pack finish at $15k which I thought was a very strong price too. So maybe basketball unopened is best unopened for investment. Prices still seem to be rising.
1961 Fleer box
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oh well, this 61 fleer box is sweet, i would have loved to have one of these..of course, i know...ha...im starting to really like this set...uh oh
well I'm confused, i had a 71 vending box from fritsch that steve wouldn't wrap, sight unseen, though pics showed the separate collation "marks",,,who knows, ,,maybe he was having a bad day....
oh well, this 61 fleer box is sweet, i would have loved to have one of these..of course, i know...ha...im starting to really like this set...uh oh
He won't wrap it second-hand from Fritsch~only from Fritsch himself.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
and funny that we got to a 61 fleer box and 71 vending when the OP has $500 to invest
ah, that made the mud clear...thanks....so if you buy it, do u have it sent to steve directly?...or does fritsch have boxes prewrapped from steve?...if you have time to answer, its not that important...but interesting,cool to learn
and funny that we got to a 61 fleer box and 71 vending when the OP has $500 to invest
Yes, the boxes from Fritsch that Steve individually wraps are sent to Steve by Fritsch himself. Collect Auctions acquires much of its unopened product via this method.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Tim - what do you think is the oldest vending/rack boxes that Fritsch still has on the shelf. Would assume 1975/75 mini, but do you think some older ones still exist out there?
KC
thank you sir..you are a scholar and a gentleman..
My pleasure, Rob.
Tim - what do you think is the oldest vending/rack boxes that Fritsch still has on the shelf. Would assume 1975/75 mini, but do you think some older ones still exist out there?
KC
KC~For baseball, at least, I believe they have vending boxes going back to the late 60s. Over the last 20 years, at least, I have not seen them sell any racks in quantity earlier than 1979 baseball, so I don't believe they have much in that regard for rack boxes, at least.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thank you. So you think Fritsch has 74-77 vending or rack boxes for sale?
Definitely not rack, but possibly vending. I say possibly, because if the boxes aren't listed in their catalogue (or in some cases, even if they are) acquiring said product can be a challenging task.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
https://www.collectauctions.co...aspx?inventoryid=19306
This seems like a nice deal...half price so far
https://www.collectauctions......?inventoryid=19306
It's probably not getting as much interest because some guy name Andrew Dawson is on the top of one of the racks. Must be a fake.
Just about everything in that Collect Auction seems like a nice deal. For the sake of the industry, there better be plenty of last-minute bidding action.
86 Fleer
Looks like this is doing pretty well.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The '79 rack box FASC from the group break.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
The '79 rack box FASC from the group break.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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To be honest, no direction, but...
1966-69 Topps EX+
1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
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Strong prices for Fleer basketball product, especially that 88-89 box at $2500.
Basketball unopened has risen significantly since just May. The one that stood out to me is when did 1980 topps boxes become an $8,500 box?
Picked up a couple cases myself from the national reload and a couple nice Clemens rookie showing racks.
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The '79 rack box FASC from the group break.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
I noticed Steve put FASC on a '77 box. I saw it on ebay yesterday, I'll try and find the link. Of course, could of been a case that was cracked recently.
How can the auction house put FASC in their description but it's not on the vending box? Would Steve confirm this you think?
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
The '79 rack box FASC from the group break.
At $2,600 it's an absolute steel. I'm surprised Steve prices it so low considering how few cases are actually left out there.
There is some vending there also. the '76 vending is curiously priced all over the place, for what looks like the same boxes. can someone give me some insight here.
Two BBCE boxes that are noted by consignor as FASC, but not listed as such on the box by BBCE. This would certainly matter to me, as FASC would mean the vending boxes were not cherry picked. Did BBCE not note FASC back then. How does the consignor know this?
There is a GAI 9 box, that is not BBCE certified, going for 40% under the highest priced box.
If is possible to buy vending FASC?
The FASC acronym was not used years ago when Steve was wrapping boxes, even if they were FASC. In fact, in the early days, there wasn't even a label on the shrinkwrap. Instead, he placed a gold business card under clear shrinkwrap. Lots of boxes from cases out there with no FASC designation, as cases were more readily available back then, too. I'd say the FASC acronym was coined about 5-6 years ago, if memory series.
I noticed Steve put FASC on a '77 box. I saw it on ebay yesterday, I'll try and find the link. Of course, could of been a case that was cracked recently.
How can the auction house put FASC in their description but it's not on the vending box? Would Steve confirm this you think?
There have been a few 77 wax cases, including the one in the current break, that have been cracked over the past few years.
Steve will not wrap loose vending boxes unless they are from a case. The exception to this rule is boxes from Fritsch, which Steve does wrap. All of the tougher vending boxes that have recently come to market, from early 70s baseball, etc, are from Fritsch but not FASC, though Fritsch is the original owner. Also, Steve wrapped many vending boxes years ago that are FASC before the acronym was coined, so those boxes will not bear that inscription, either.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.