First coin Fred Weinberg Second coin JT Stanton

1tommy

Back In 2012 my first ANA Show in Chicago I had the pleasure of meeting and Buying a coin from Fred Weinberg.



This 1960 Proof quarter he had in his showcase just called out to me. We made a deal and the coin came home with me and is part of my Variety set.

Today while cruising Ebay I notice this one from JT Stanton. I just figured it was meant to be once again and paid for the coin.



Wonder if I should just send the first one back in with the new one and do a double holder? Should I put both coins reverse facing out or one each way?



Enjoy



Example Number 2.........

Update Grade posted on JT's Coin Proof 67 Cameo and thanks to Fred the new label matches the first one..

My Variety Set...........

garrynot

That is very impressive.

winky

Boy howdy what a crack.

keyman64

Cool, congrats. As much as I like the double holder idea, I would not do it in this case. If friend came along needing an example that you were willing to part with then you would be unable to do so. Or if you found a 3rd example that was an upgrade of one of the first two then it would just complicate things. In this case, I would just have them slabbed individually. It makes life so much easier when you part with something. Most people would only want to buy one, not two.

Broadstruck

Since both have the same spot on the lower wing feather under the crack are they identical twins separated at birth?

seanq

There's an awful lot of frost for a die with that large a crack, it makes me think this one failed quickly and spectacularly. I would imagina that makes this a very scarce variety, good for you for grabbing every example you can.

Sean Reynolds

messydesk

I remember that coin, I think from Central States 2013. Did you ever get reactions from CONECA guys? If you want to keep them both, then holder them however you want, but I imagine you could parlay one of them into some other rare Washington quarter varieties. As seanq said, it's probably very scarce, considering there is frost and a terminal die break.

AUandAG

EXCELLENT pick! I would have done the same, so congratulations!



bob

guitarwes

Crack addict..........

FredWeinberg

Good to see an old friend from (just) three years ago.



At the time, I said it was the first one I had ever seen.

It was one of the best Proof Die Cracks (there's others,

&there are some beautiful Cud Die Breaks), but this

1960 example was the best Quarter I had seen - and it

silver too.



Interesting that JD had the second known piece, and I think

it's great you snagged it too!





Congrats.....



Fred

TwoSides2aCoin

wtg, friend.

ctf_error_coins

Nice silver proof error, very nice pick up.

1tommy

Thanks everyone for the nice comments,



Greg your right with putting them in separate holders even if I choose to hang on to both of them for Now.



Broadstruck That's pretty cool that you picked out that spot and guess that is one good pick up point.



Just thinking about 55 years ago these two coins were made and separated for that long and have now found there way back to each other.



Messydesk, Yes I did show them the coin at the show and even joined and posted on there website but never got any interests in the coin. Maybe now that there is Two? John I just realized that is Your Picture and will have to let you do its brother...or sister....



Fred, Thanks for the comments and figured you would get a Kick out of seeing the Second Example.



Looking forward to sending this one in and seeing the Grade.



Thanks and Enjoy

Broadstruck

Broadstruck That's pretty cool that you picked out that spot and guess that is one good pick up point.

Looks like a black spot in your images but glancing at the eBay pic it's just a break in the cameo contrast.

asheland

Very cool! I don't recall having ever seen a proof die crack!

SkyMan

Cool stuff! I wonder what the inspector was smokin' that they didn't catch this on a proof.

koynekwest

They do make display cases for slabbed coins-maybe you'd want to display them that way. You can find a few here-



http://www.translinesupply.com...r-certified-coins.aspx

georgiacop50

Sheet Fire!

sparky64

Pretty sure I remember when you got the first one.

I remember thinking how cool the crack was and such a high grade CAM to boot.



I thought the second coin was the same pic because of that dinky little spot.

What is that spot anyways?



Incredible that you saw the mate and are able to get it.

Congrats!

jtlee321

Not trying to stir the fire. But I think they are both the same coin. I did a comparison of the two and put them side by side and circled areas that I see as being identical between the two. Plus the field above Quarter Dollar has a nearly identical haze pattern in the mirroring. Could all this come from the die and not just metal flow?



I'll be interested if the second one is actually a twin.

messydesk

They are two different coins. I photographed the slabbed one 2 1/2 years ago. There is a small spot on the raw one just above the die break on the upper row of feathers on the eagle's left (viewer's right) wing.



Funny patches of haze on mirrors can be on the die, although they wouldn't last long. I stumbled across a great example of this recently on some PL 1881-O Morgan dollars. Looked like water spots at first, then I saw exactly the same pattern on another coin, so it had to be in the die. The "figure 8" pattern on the 1881-O VAM 54 reverse near "trust" fades along with the PL surfaces.



Scroll down to the picture of the reverse on this page.

jtlee321

Thank you for the education Messydesk.. Up to this point I had assumed that the white specks that showed in the fields of proof coins were caused post strike and not by the die. I don't know how many proof coins I have passed on because of that. That of course would explain why all those marks are in the exact same places on both coins.



That is so cool to reunite a pair that may have been only a few coins apart from their birth.

FredF

Fascinating thread, thanks for sharing, and to jtlee for doing the analysis of the two photos. I too had thought that that type of speck was post-strike and this is a great example of "you learn something new every day."

CaptHenway

Originally posted by: sparky64

Pretty sure I remember when you got the first one.

I remember thinking how cool the crack was and such a high grade CAM to boot.



I thought the second coin was the same pic because of that dinky little spot.

What is that spot anyways?



Incredible that you saw the mate and are able to get it.

Congrats!

Perhaps a tiny spot of grease on the die obstructing the frost?

ricko

Really interesting...and how cool to have the two examples together. Cheers, RickO

1tommy

Originally posted by: FredF

Fascinating thread, thanks for sharing, and to jtlee for doing the analysis of the two photos. I too had thought that that type of speck was post-strike and this is a great example of "you learn something new every day."

Thanks for showing the side by side photo's, received the coin today and its definitely the sister to the first one.



Thanks John for the explanation and I surely learned something new too.



I did notice the spot on the eagles wing is not black in hand but white.



Will be interested to see if anymore are ever found and will send this one off in the next couple weeks and update this thread when it grades.



Thanks everyone.............Enjoy

Zoins

Wonderful twin proof die crack with frost coins! I would definitely keep both as well.



It may be cool as an avatar coin.



What a great and wonderful hobby!

johnny9434

they sure do look nice. i wonder how many might be out there that we havent seen as of yet? anyway for now

1tommy

Update Grade and picture posted on First Page....Enjoy

ricko

Thanks for the update.... great score on those two... Cheers, RickO