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Standing Liberty - Questionable Full Head

First, sorry for the crappy iPhone photos. I've not gotten around to setting up an appropriate copystand.

Without saying what the date/mm is, I will say this is a tough one to find with a FH designation.

What do you think?

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see the ear hole.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,611 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whaaaat? Huh? I don't see the ear hole either.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Aside from the ear hole - the hair line must be complete to her jaw.

    Its not.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,611 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Aside from the ear hole - the hair line must be complete to her jaw.

    Its not.
    >>



    Great reminder Mike,

    Per PCGS guidelines;

    FH: Full Head | Close
    Standing Liberty Quarters.
    1.Three leaves must be clear and distinct in Liberty’s hair.
    2.Earhole must be present.
    3.Hairline must be distinct from top of forehead to back of neck.

    Note: PCGS may designate 1918/7 Quarters as Full Head in grades of XF40 and higher.[I/I]



    FH Designation
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    the 1st image displays the 3-d better of the elevation off of her face
    i could see this supporting the lower end of fullhead
    sliding in if one prefers

    ok
    so why the mysterious hiding of the date here?
    some coins within a series have date specific strike issues

    is this a tough date for the designation?
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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not FH
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Full head should mean just that. That coin does not make it.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no full head there. (fwiw) image
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Not for me either.
  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭
    I would not call it a full head. But I've seen others holdered with less detail.

    This is a 1929-D which typically had a very poor strike.

    The premium for a FH designation on this coin is significant.

    I'm happy with this one.

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You have a nice one there.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Very nice coin. I would call it a near FH.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    You have a nice 3-D photo on top image but you don't have a full head. image
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very nice coin. I would call it a near FH. >>

    Maybe there's a sticker for that?
  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭
    I'd say this is a very tough date for a FH designation, based on date/mm.

    This is an NGC 63, but for reference PCGS price guide shows a value of $225 in 63 and $1,500 in FH.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin.... from the pictures I would say no FH.....with that price difference, I can see why you are hopeful...image Cheers, RickO
  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Very nice coin. I would call it a near FH. >>

    Maybe there's a sticker for that? >>



    I think there may actually be.



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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That looks pretty darn good for a 63.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For a 29-D that's good head detail and there are some out there designated FH in AU55-MS62 with that amount and you gotta scratch your head.

    Although a considered a major rarity in FH it can be found with monsterous ultimate detail.
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the full image, it does not even look close to FH. NGC says no so I am guessing it is not.
  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In the full image, it does not even look close to FH. NGC says no so I am guessing it is not. >>



    Yeah, it's a crappy iPhone image. It looks better straight on.

    Not FH, but I never said it was.

    I'll re image at some point.
  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    Hard to be sure but it appears to be incredibly close to a full head. The ear "slit" for this type 3 might be faintly visible. This could pass for what is commonly referred to as the minimum detail required for a full head. Better photos at different angles would give a more accurate answer.
    Some of you seem to resent the more modern full head requirements with your resounding "no way" full head responses, but based on the images, it really isn't that obvious. If not FH, it's still a great way to acquire a tough date with a lot if head detail.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very nice coin. I would call it a near FH. >>

    Ditto. So maybe it's not all the way there to FH, but it's definitely a well-struck example.

    PS- what's the NGC label grade, just outta curiosity?

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  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PS- what's the NGC label grade, just outta curiosity? >>



    NGC graded it 63 in the traditional older style holder, no prongs.
  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hard to be sure but it appears to be incredibly close to a full head. The ear "slit" for this type 3 might be faintly visible. This could pass for what is commonly referred to as the minimum detail required for a full head. Better photos at different angles would give a more accurate answer.
    Some of you seem to resent the more modern full head requirements with your resounding "no way" full head responses, but based on the images, it really isn't that obvious. If not FH, it's still a great way to acquire a tough date with a lot if head detail. >>


    This is exactly why I now own this coin. I like this thinking.

    Also, I'll get the copy stand set up at some point and get some better shots. My iPhone photos are not helping much in this case. As noted, I would not in fact call it a full head, it's just a bit shy, but I've seen this designation on NGC holdered coins similar to this. I do think, at least in the past, NGC was a little more generous with their FH designation.

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