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Given the recent bad checks I thought I would add this. Very easy these days with Iphones and such!
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<< <i>Given the recent bad checks I thought I would add this. Very easy these days with Iphones and such! >>
I have no problem with a coin dealer taking my picture but I won't be responsible if it breaks his camera.
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And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....
If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):
1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun.
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<< <i>Not knowingly, no.
And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....
If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):
1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>
LOL! Well I did say Would you allow!
2 + 3 are good replies and I have done this myself. But what if you do not have references available and want to walk with the coin?
However, if I did, it would not bother me.
I can remember (long ago) smaller shops and stores requesting Drivers License and writing info on check, as well as a thumbprint.
WAY before Tele-Check Verification.
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There are a few people who make it a point to not get their picture out there. It is a ton of work, and it's logical for such a person to refuse a photo request.
For everyone else, who are you kidding?
Leo
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<< <i>What's he going to do with your pic? Put it on wanted posters? It would make more sense to take a pic of your drivers license. >>
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<< <i>What's he going to do with your pic? Put it on wanted posters? It would make more sense to take a pic of your drivers license. >>
A pic of a driver's license will not hold a candle to an actual pic if it was needed for an investigation!
<< <i>Take a photo of the drivers license. >>
This is as far as I will go with this picture taking trend. Period!
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>Not knowingly, no.
And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....
If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):
1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>
Interesting answer as anytime you are in a public place you are subject to having your picture taken without your knowledge. This is true even when driving your car on any freeway system in the US as they all have traffic cams. Just go on line and see how many cams you can get access to for free it will amaze you.
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<< <i>Not knowingly, no.
And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....
If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):
1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>
Interesting answer as anytime you are in a public place you are subject to having your picture taken without your knowledge. This is true even when driving your car on any freeway system in the US as they all have traffic cams. Just go on line and see how many cams you can get access to for free it will amaze you. >>
Yes, that is true about a public place.
Does NOT mean I want a business individual taking my explicit picture as I complete a transaction for a potentially expensive coin. If I have no control over what happens with that picture, and I have A CHOICE on whether or not it is taken, I choose NOT.
All the rest of you can go for it all you want. Again, if *I* have A CHOICE, then my choice is no.
This is a hobby for me. Not a job. Not life threatening. Not life enhancing (other than enjoyment as a hobby). There is no coin I *need* so badly as to compromise my principles or desires about myself.
I worked in IT, and security, long enough to know what can be out there. I am not paranoid about it as I have nothing to hide like that, but again, if I have A CHOICE.....
Not sure why that is hard for some to understand....more than 1 person went on about "do you know your picture is already taken multiple times/ways.......". Yep. So what? That isn't by a coin dealer.
Want my picture that bad? Go to the 7-11 store and ask for the video
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And the very last thing I'll ever do is submit to a fingerprint scan for things like Google Pay. If anyone thinks hackers will never capture your fingerprint for fraudulent use you need
to come into the current century.
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<< <i>Doesn't bother me. Even the church I go to has video cameras in the hallways and sanctuary that record everything. Besides, I never take cash to a show - I always feel more comfortable writing checks and, in over 30 years, I've only had one dealer refuse my check (he knew me but he was one of those cash-only guys). Aside from that one character, I've never had a problem since I can usually pick out half a dozen dealers in the room to provide a reference for me. >>
I often wonder about why some dealers only want cash. I'm guessing that more than a few do it for tax avoidance reasons.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Doesn't bother me. Even the church I go to has video cameras in the hallways and sanctuary that record everything. Besides, I never take cash to a show - I always feel more comfortable writing checks and, in over 30 years, I've only had one dealer refuse my check (he knew me but he was one of those cash-only guys). Aside from that one character, I've never had a problem since I can usually pick out half a dozen dealers in the room to provide a reference for me. >>
I often wonder about why some dealers only want cash. I'm guessing that more than a few do it for tax avoidance reasons. >>
Possibly, but you can't use the check to buy coins at a show if needed. It's pretty much dead money.
Hoard the keys.
I see a focus problem and a data usage problem in the making.
<< <i>Let's flip this around see how many dealers that will let you take a pic of them if they want CASH.
Most collectors would be satisfied with just getting a receipt.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Let's flip this around see how many dealers that will let you take a pic of them if they want CASH.
Most collectors would be satisfied with just getting a receipt.
Been that way for a lot of years.
My question is...has this really been a problem for anyone? You're on camera when you go in the door so what's the difference?
Most folks with common sense aren't going to expect someone who doesn't know them from Adam to just blindly take their personal check-particularly for a large amount- without some sort of confirmation anyway.
If you come into our shop you are on hi-def cameras from multiple angles so I wouldn't need to snap a picture of you. If you're coming in with an out of town check and I don't know you, first off it depends on the amount and what is being purchased. Small amount, no problem as long as you show proper ID. Larger amounts...If I decide to take it, I'll photocopy your driver's license and may ask for references and/or to call your bank to confirm funds. If you refuse/become indignant/squawk about it, I'll assume-rightly or wrongly-that you might have a a nefarious reason for doing so and decline the deal unless you want to do cash or card. We've eaten hot checks in the past and although we want your business we're not willing to compromise security to get it, despite what some entitled buyer may think.
If it's at a show, supply me with references from guys I know and if they vouch for you, we're good. Don't want to do that? Let me call your bank to confirm funds. Otherwise cash or card. Also...references need to be for comparable amounts. Just because you bought $100 worth from Joe's Coins in Paramus last year doesn't magically make your $12,000 check good now.
If I'm writing the check...snap away if it makes you feel better. I'll supply references and offer to let you ship the items once payment clears. I don't write a check unless it's good and have nothing to hide. I'm also not a tinfoil hat guy worried about Big Brother. That ship's already sailed. If you have a car less than 25 years old, a cellphone, a computer, tablet, smart TV, anything with GPS technology or go into any public place or business you can be (or are being) tracked and/or recorded anyway...so is someone snapping your picture really that big a deal?
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Its the dealers call, he is the one at risk. Can't say I blame them.
I get my coins from Florida and head back in to the shop. To make a long story short I wasn't planning on trading my busties, but he picked out enough for us to be 1500 apart on the 1794. I said ok to you take plastic and he said no. I didn't have that kind of cash on me and he said send me a check.
Ok you hold all of the trade deal and I will get a check sent from Florida( I haven't written a check in 10 years, so I don't have a check book). Yes, yes, long story short.
He took the coins he wanted and I took the 1794. He said send me a check when you get back. I was shocked that he would let me take the coin and still owe him 1500. I insisted he make a copy of my drivers license and take my phone number. He didn't want to be he trusted me but I insisted.
I am a firm believer in a hand shack deal and my word is my life, but you do not run across many people that still go by that code.
Gary
<< <i>I would expect him to. >>
+1
No problem for me....not worried, life is too short.
<< <i>What about fingerprinting? >>
Don't give them any ideas, as that will be next!
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<< <i>So this story is probably the opposite off the thread.
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I am a firm believer in a hand shack deal and my word is my life, but you do not run across many people that still go by that code.
Gary >>
Love that story, Gary. Fits right in with my philosophy and instincts. If my gut says the guy is trustworthy, then treat him so. If he proves himself unworthy, well then, lesson learned and he's banned forever.
There are limits to my faith in strangers, however. Maybe a $thousand or two. LOL.
Lance.
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<< <i>No. My pic might have been taken 100 times walking to his table, but none of those are associated with a check.
And the very last thing I'll ever do is submit to a fingerprint scan for things like Google Pay. If anyone thinks hackers will never capture your fingerprint for fraudulent use you need
to come into the current century. >>
Quoting myself here, because much to my amazement I later in the same day read about the suspected Chinese hack of govenrment computers where they stole 6.5 MILLION FINGERPRINTS.
Wow.
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