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amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
Given the recent bad checks I thought I would add this. Very easy these days with Iphones and such!
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    No, but you are already on camera when you parked your car and walked down the street, and then again when you walked into the stop.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Given the recent bad checks I thought I would add this. Very easy these days with Iphones and such! >>



    I have no problem with a coin dealer taking my picture but I won't be responsible if it breaks his camera.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not knowingly, no.
    And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....

    If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):

    1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
    2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
    3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
    4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not knowingly, no.
    And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....

    If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):

    1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
    2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
    3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
    4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>



    LOL! Well I did say Would you allow!

    2 + 3 are good replies and I have done this myself. But what if you do not have references available and want to walk with the coin?
  • PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    I have done all my banking, bill paying on-line for almost 20 years, don't even have a 'paper check book'.
    However, if I did, it would not bother me.
    I can remember (long ago) smaller shops and stores requesting Drivers License and writing info on check, as well as a thumbprint.
    WAY before Tele-Check Verification.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    why not use your phone to take a picture of the buyers license... next to the check... ??? or .. allow the buyer to leave a deposit.. with a check, then pay the balance. or just don't take checks. I don't take checks... from anyone without a ten day wait. unless I know them and we have done business in the past. who needs the hassle of chasing around a guy writing bad checks ? plenty of buyers pay with cash. ive had dealers that were offended because I wouldn't take their check. im not taking a check from someone I don't know. I don't have time to chase someone around sorry
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Long story short : You don't wanna read it.
  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No.
    Sketch artists need to eat too.

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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not. The average person is video'ed 20 times a day. If they have your name, your picture isn't private anyway.

    There are a few people who make it a point to not get their picture out there. It is a ton of work, and it's logical for such a person to refuse a photo request.

    For everyone else, who are you kidding?
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Say CHEESE! image Especially if the coin warrants it.


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Take a photo of the drivers license.
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's he going to do with your pic? Put it on wanted posters? It would make more sense to take a pic of your drivers license.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only time I was had so far was years ago. A guy was at the show and negotiating hard with several dealers. He had haggled with me a couple of times. I saw a dealer I know well take a check from this guy. He comes up and finally agrees to buy 2 coins(which I was basically breaking even on). Claimed to be a lawyer from the other coast here taking depositions. Had a Ca. Drivers license,legit checking account,etc. I took his check and he left. I went over to the dealer I knew and asked about him. He hadn't seen him before! image I beelined out the door and he was nowhere to be found. I knew I had been had. image Sure enough the check was no good but was an account that had been closed. Turned out the Drivers License was fake. Wish I had taken his picture. I learned my lesson the hard way.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the back with my pants down by my ankles.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No problem...if I was writing a check...which I wouldn't...but if I did...only if I could get some wallet sized copies after it was photoshopped heavily to enhance my...perhaps I have said to much.

    You get better deals with CASH.
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, but I'm keeping my clothes on this time. image
    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • I've had my picture taken 25 times getting to the dealer so why not??
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,619 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would expect him to.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What's he going to do with your pic? Put it on wanted posters? It would make more sense to take a pic of your drivers license. >>



    image

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What's he going to do with your pic? Put it on wanted posters? It would make more sense to take a pic of your drivers license. >>



    image >>



    A pic of a driver's license will not hold a candle to an actual pic if it was needed for an investigation!
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Take a photo of the drivers license. >>



    This is as far as I will go with this picture taking trend. Period!
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image I don't need any coin that bad and if I do i'll just pay you cash.... But if you want you can pay me for my pic. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • Only if the dealer would let me hold a very expensive coin in the photo. I want to look good.
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.


  • << <i>Not knowingly, no.
    And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....

    If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):

    1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
    2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
    3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
    4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>



    Interesting answer as anytime you are in a public place you are subject to having your picture taken without your knowledge. This is true even when driving your car on any freeway system in the US as they all have traffic cams. Just go on line and see how many cams you can get access to for free it will amaze you.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not knowingly, no.
    And, if I found out they did it without my knowledge, I would be having more than a few words.....

    If they want to sell the coin, and they want a check, and they don't know me or aren't sure about the check, they have 4 options (imho):

    1) Sell me the coin anyway - up to them
    2) Ask for a reference from another dealer/someone they know....either in the room there or maybe make a call and go by description/information
    3) Take the check and mail me the coin when it clears and they are happy - ....I would expect them to pay for any costs of doing so from THEIR profit margin after the price of the coin was agreed upon.
    4) Don't sell me the coin. Good luck, have fun. >>



    Interesting answer as anytime you are in a public place you are subject to having your picture taken without your knowledge. This is true even when driving your car on any freeway system in the US as they all have traffic cams. Just go on line and see how many cams you can get access to for free it will amaze you. >>



    Yes, that is true about a public place.
    Does NOT mean I want a business individual taking my explicit picture as I complete a transaction for a potentially expensive coin. If I have no control over what happens with that picture, and I have A CHOICE on whether or not it is taken, I choose NOT.

    All the rest of you can go for it all you want. Again, if *I* have A CHOICE, then my choice is no.
    This is a hobby for me. Not a job. Not life threatening. Not life enhancing (other than enjoyment as a hobby). There is no coin I *need* so badly as to compromise my principles or desires about myself.

    I worked in IT, and security, long enough to know what can be out there. I am not paranoid about it as I have nothing to hide like that, but again, if I have A CHOICE.....


    Not sure why that is hard for some to understand....more than 1 person went on about "do you know your picture is already taken multiple times/ways.......". Yep. So what? That isn't by a coin dealer.
    Want my picture that bad? Go to the 7-11 store and ask for the video image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It depends on who the dealer is and whether there is an agreement that the photo would be destroyed after the checked cleared. For security reasons, I would not let every small dealer take a picture of me. The top national dealers (e.g. PNG, show circuit, etc.), it wouldn't bother me at all.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No. My pic might have been taken 100 times walking to his table, but none of those are associated with a check.

    And the very last thing I'll ever do is submit to a fingerprint scan for things like Google Pay. If anyone thinks hackers will never capture your fingerprint for fraudulent use you need
    to come into the current century.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have only paid by check when paying by mail. Otherwise, at shows or shops I deal in cash. Should the occasion arise, I would likely say no. I like to control those things that are controllable, within reason. Cheers, RickO
  • 2ndCharter2ndCharter Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't bother me. Even the church I go to has video cameras in the hallways and sanctuary that record everything. Besides, I never take cash to a show - I always feel more comfortable writing checks and, in over 30 years, I've only had one dealer refuse my check (he knew me but he was one of those cash-only guys). Aside from that one character, I've never had a problem since I can usually pick out half a dozen dealers in the room to provide a reference for me.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Doesn't bother me. Even the church I go to has video cameras in the hallways and sanctuary that record everything. Besides, I never take cash to a show - I always feel more comfortable writing checks and, in over 30 years, I've only had one dealer refuse my check (he knew me but he was one of those cash-only guys). Aside from that one character, I've never had a problem since I can usually pick out half a dozen dealers in the room to provide a reference for me. >>



    I often wonder about why some dealers only want cash. I'm guessing that more than a few do it for tax avoidance reasons.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • No...I wouldnt want to break their camera. But seriously if it got an important deal done...sure. As a dealer I wouldnt count on mass cooperarion though.
    Avid Collector of Early US Type Coins.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I wouldn't care
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Doesn't bother me. Even the church I go to has video cameras in the hallways and sanctuary that record everything. Besides, I never take cash to a show - I always feel more comfortable writing checks and, in over 30 years, I've only had one dealer refuse my check (he knew me but he was one of those cash-only guys). Aside from that one character, I've never had a problem since I can usually pick out half a dozen dealers in the room to provide a reference for me. >>



    I often wonder about why some dealers only want cash. I'm guessing that more than a few do it for tax avoidance reasons. >>



    Possibly, but you can't use the check to buy coins at a show if needed. It's pretty much dead money.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's flip this around see how many dealers that will let you take a pic of them if they want CASH. image If they say I want cash and you say oh you want cash I need to take your pic just to show that I paid in cash see what they will say. It just does not sit well with a customer or a seller. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How is this dealer ever going to be able to use the image if the check and buyer and item bought are not all in same image?
    I see a focus problem and a data usage problem in the making.

    image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Let's flip this around see how many dealers that will let you take a pic of them if they want CASH. image If they say I want cash and you say oh you want cash I need to take your pic just to show that I paid in cash see what they will say. It just does not sit well with a customer or a seller. image >>



    Most collectors would be satisfied with just getting a receipt.image



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Let's flip this around see how many dealers that will let you take a pic of them if they want CASH. image If they say I want cash and you say oh you want cash I need to take your pic just to show that I paid in cash see what they will say. It just does not sit well with a customer or a seller. image >>



    Most collectors would be satisfied with just getting a receipt.image >>



    Been that way for a lot of years. image

    image
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @%! thing crashed-so there may end up being two similar but not identical posts on this from me. I'll delete the dupe if it comes up.

    My question is...has this really been a problem for anyone? You're on camera when you go in the door so what's the difference?
    Most folks with common sense aren't going to expect someone who doesn't know them from Adam to just blindly take their personal check-particularly for a large amount- without some sort of confirmation anyway.

    If you come into our shop you are on hi-def cameras from multiple angles so I wouldn't need to snap a picture of you. If you're coming in with an out of town check and I don't know you, first off it depends on the amount and what is being purchased. Small amount, no problem as long as you show proper ID. Larger amounts...If I decide to take it, I'll photocopy your driver's license and may ask for references and/or to call your bank to confirm funds. If you refuse/become indignant/squawk about it, I'll assume-rightly or wrongly-that you might have a a nefarious reason for doing so and decline the deal unless you want to do cash or card. We've eaten hot checks in the past and although we want your business we're not willing to compromise security to get it, despite what some entitled buyer may think.

    If it's at a show, supply me with references from guys I know and if they vouch for you, we're good. Don't want to do that? Let me call your bank to confirm funds. Otherwise cash or card. Also...references need to be for comparable amounts. Just because you bought $100 worth from Joe's Coins in Paramus last year doesn't magically make your $12,000 check good now.

    If I'm writing the check...snap away if it makes you feel better. I'll supply references and offer to let you ship the items once payment clears. I don't write a check unless it's good and have nothing to hide. I'm also not a tinfoil hat guy worried about Big Brother. That ship's already sailed. If you have a car less than 25 years old, a cellphone, a computer, tablet, smart TV, anything with GPS technology or go into any public place or business you can be (or are being) tracked and/or recorded anyway...so is someone snapping your picture really that big a deal?

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes as long as i can take his just in case his coin turns out to be a bogus one/fake. have a nice day image
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Only if you can take a picture of the dealer and then show everyone who you bought the coin from.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure but would you like me to hold a yardstick for the picture? You know, just in case the check turns out to be bad? image



    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not be surprised if they do considering my bank probably photos me everytime I go thru atm. So it would not bother me.

    Its the dealers call, he is the one at risk. Can't say I blame them.
    Investor
  • What about fingerprinting?
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • So this story is probably the opposite off the thread. I am on a work assignment in Maryland, I came across a small little coin off the beaten path. I walked in and spied a 1794 Half right away and fell in love. No cash flow for the coin so we chatted for a while and then he said bring in some of your busties and I will see about a trade.

    I get my coins from Florida and head back in to the shop. To make a long story short I wasn't planning on trading my busties, but he picked out enough for us to be 1500 apart on the 1794. I said ok to you take plastic and he said no. I didn't have that kind of cash on me and he said send me a check.

    Ok you hold all of the trade deal and I will get a check sent from Florida( I haven't written a check in 10 years, so I don't have a check book). Yes, yes, long story short.

    He took the coins he wanted and I took the 1794. He said send me a check when you get back. I was shocked that he would let me take the coin and still owe him 1500. I insisted he make a copy of my drivers license and take my phone number. He didn't want to be he trusted me but I insisted.

    I am a firm believer in a hand shack deal and my word is my life, but you do not run across many people that still go by that code.

    Gary

  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would expect him to. >>



    +1
    No problem for me....not worried, life is too short.
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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What about fingerprinting? >>



    Don't give them any ideas, as that will be next!

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So this story is probably the opposite off the thread.
    <snip>
    I am a firm believer in a hand shack deal and my word is my life, but you do not run across many people that still go by that code.

    Gary >>

    Love that story, Gary. Fits right in with my philosophy and instincts. If my gut says the guy is trustworthy, then treat him so. If he proves himself unworthy, well then, lesson learned and he's banned forever.

    There are limits to my faith in strangers, however. Maybe a $thousand or two. LOL.
    Lance.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really?



    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No. My pic might have been taken 100 times walking to his table, but none of those are associated with a check.

    And the very last thing I'll ever do is submit to a fingerprint scan for things like Google Pay. If anyone thinks hackers will never capture your fingerprint for fraudulent use you need
    to come into the current century. >>



    Quoting myself here, because much to my amazement I later in the same day read about the suspected Chinese hack of govenrment computers where they stole 6.5 MILLION FINGERPRINTS.

    Wow.

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