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1958 HK-748: R7 Convair Astronautics SCD (12 Minted)

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 14, 2017 2:31PM in U.S. Coin Forum
Here's a R7 SCD currently available from Jeff. I thought this was cool because you almost never see low mintage SCDs.

The story for this is even cooler. This version was given to every 10,000th guest. There may have been over 120,000 total guests as there were 125,000 aluminum versions struck, resulting in 12 10,000th guests.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gotta love a SCD with 12 minted.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Gotta love a SCD with 12 minted. >>



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    Even more so since the 12 were issued.

    It would be neat to have this in a PCGS slab with a TrueView.
  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oddly, there was another one on eBay in June. Prior to these two, I'd never seen another.
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,381 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Gotta love a SCD with 12 minted. >>



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    Even more so since the 12 were issued.

    It would be neat to have this in a PCGS slab with a TrueView. >>



    Or a dual slab, this next to the common aluminum one

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Oddly, there was another one on eBay in June. Prior to these two, I'd never seen another. >>



    Good to know. I missed that one. That sold for $676.67 on June 15, 2015. There were three bidders at $650 and above.

    Here are the photos:

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone know who "tamsguy67" on eBay is for naming purposes? If not, we can call the June specimen the tamsguy67 specimen and the top one the Shevlin specimen.

    It can be fun when there are only a few pieces to keep track of.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For an update:

    The Shevlin specimen was sold for $525.00 on August 30, 2015.
    The tamsguy67 specimen was sold for $676.67 on June 15, 2015.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know it may sound funny, but R7 SC$'s are more common than you'd think. they just aren't offered for sale at venues such as eBay that often so it ends up being a paradox of sorts. from my perspective there are two ways of collecting these medals ---
    R1-R4 in high grade since they tend to be readily available.
    R5 and above in the best grade you can afford.

    Part 2 of the catalogue where this item is found has many R5 and above listings, maybe the bulk of the total simply because they were issued for an affair with a very localized distribution. I think they may have been easier for Hibler-Kappen to catalogue since they were more localized but numbers are skewed because the issuers tended to not keep good, concise records. I also think they may tend to be kept by families. I live about 35 miles west of Conneaut, Ohio where a celebration was held in 1896: a single medal is listed as HK-638(R6) but I see bronze examples often enough to believe it must be an R4. I suspect most collectors never see this issue unless they live close to where the event was held. but enough for my analysis.

    if I was interested in the Convair Type, I think I'd hold out for an HK-747 struck in Copper. I'm not saying it has been done, but since the HK-748 is a Gold plated HK-749 I would be suspicious of any medal offered.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The OP title stated "Aeronautics" and the medallion has "Astronautics"...the title is what drew me in but this type of medallion is too far out for me. It has been a while since I had any dealings with General Dynamics.
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the title is in error since the medal is listed in the catalogue as "Astronautics" the same as the medal. I'm sure it was an oversight by the OP and he'll correct it when he reads our posts.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>if I was interested in the Convair Type, I think I'd hold out for an HK-747 struck in Copper. I'm not saying it has been done, but since the HK-748 is a Gold plated HK-749 I would be suspicious of any medal offered. >>



    Is there a good way to tell whether the plating was original or new?

    BTW, the title has been fixed. Thanks!
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's too bad that such a scarce SCD has such a poor design.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's too bad that such a scarce SCD has such a poor design. >>



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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a good way to tell whether the plating was original or new?

    without being able to study several of the plated medals and several of the aluminum medals I can't see how anyone could tell when a medal was plated.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there a good way to tell whether the plating was original or new?

    without being able to study several of the plated medals and several of the aluminum medals I can't see how anyone could tell when a medal was plated. >>



    Given the above, I've been wondering if any of these will ever be slabbed. It would be nice if these would be slabbed by our hosts but how to tell is an interesting question.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are the two HK-748's matted for posterity. Only 10 more to go image

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  • The June 15th specimen was purchased by-- tokens1863--it is now the Bill G specimen. As I already have the copper HK-747 and believe only 2 probably exist-- I had been "holding out" for the gold plated HK-748 so as to lay claim to having the ONLY complete set. What most collectors don't know is that the HK-747 is like the HK-590a copper So Called Dollar and is 4mm thick.



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    Bill G
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, the design does absolutely nothing for me.



    But if I collected SCDs (and my slide into exonumia grows ever steeper by the day), then... yeah. A mintage of twelve pieces is certainly something.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do the two HK-748s above appear to be from different dies? Specifically, the last "A" in ASTRONAUTICS on the obverse and CONVAIR on the reverse appear to be different. These differences can also be seen on various HK-749 specimens. With 125,000 struck, it would make sense that they had different dies.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure makes me wonder how certain nothing designs made the H-K book and others did not.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Zoins
    Is there a good way to tell whether the plating was original or new?

    without being able to study several of the plated medals and several of the aluminum medals I can't see how anyone could tell when a medal was plated.


    Given the above, I've been wondering if any of these will ever be slabbed. It would be nice if these would be slabbed by our hosts but how to tell is an interesting question.




    Just found out that NGC does slab gold-plated SCDs, with this HK-337 Pike's Peak NGC MS62 Shevlin specimen. The NGC MS65 Hibler specimen is also slabbed by NGC. Would be nice to see HK-337 and HK-748 with TrueViews.
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: billycgribble

    The June 15th specimen was purchased by-- tokens1863--it is now the Bill G specimen. As I already have the copper HK-747 and believe only 2 probably exist-- I had been "holding out" for the gold plated HK-748 so as to lay claim to having the ONLY complete set. What most collectors don't know is that the HK-747 is like the HK-590a copper So Called Dollar and is 4mm thick.



    Bill G




    Thanks Bill. Good to know. Did you try getting it slabbed? When I have some time, I'll update it to the Gribble specimen in the image.
  • PioneerPioneer Posts: 80 ✭✭✭
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Pioneer

    My complete set....



    http://so-calleddollar.com/For...ages.aspx?TopicID=7822




    Wow! That's very awesome. It's very cool to see that set and nice to know that ATS certifies all metals. Never saw the "More Air Force Per Dollar" and like it a lot. Thanks for sharing!
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Nice coin but not for me at this time.
  • PioneerPioneer Posts: 80 ✭✭✭
    A different piece in the so-called dollar series (HK-743) is North American Aviation. This is a US Air Force variety for that piece.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2024 7:20PM
    Originally posted by: Pioneer

    A different piece in the so-called dollar series (HK-743) is North American Aviation. This is a US Air Force variety for that piece.

    .




    Nice piece. HK-743 is interesting because it marks a 25th Anniversary in 1953. Good to know this variety exists and that NGC will slab it.


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