Another one joins my collection, this time a $50 Slug Kellogg & Co.

coinsarefun

I was very lucky to pick this one up and just arrived in todays mail.......a big shout to thanks to Dave Wnuck!!!


41 mm. Parker Facsimile of the 1855 Kellogg & Company $50 round gold slug. Reeded edge.

San Francisco coin dealer Earl Parker sold them as souvenirs at the ANA Conventions in the late 1940s and 1950s.
the obverse with head of Liberty left, surrounding by 13 stars and date 1855 below.
On the reverse there is the familiar eagle with outstretched wings, ribbon in beak and shield below, surrounded by SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA FIFTY.


I would venture to say one of the finest graded at MS67 and quite rare at a R7









Pic's below showing how it looks in holder in different positions

oih82w8

Very nice! I would not mind having one of those!

Bullsitter

Very nice addition.........

TopographicOceans

I always thought those were very cool.

Congratulations

Timbuk3

Sweet !!! :-)

FullStrike

Oh you fac'ed me out with that one.

I'm inspired though. I'm gonna check in with my fav Beijing Rare Facsimile Dealer and see what he is carrying
these days. Haven't dealt with him in a couple years.

giorgio11

Stefanie you buy the most awesome coins (and even one from me a while ago IIRC), you obviously have Great Taste!

Best Regards,

George

coinsarefun

Thanks everyone.....you are too kind



FullStrike.........lol....you gotta get some



George......good to hear from you!....thanks

VanHalen

That slug is large and attractive.

Walkerfan

Pretty

sparky64

Amazing detail and great color.

SeattleSlammer

Sweet slug.

53BKid

That's a great pickup! Beautiful!

NumisOxide

Cool!

Zoins

<< <i>San Francisco coin dealer Earl Parker sold them as souvenirs at the ANA Conventions in the late 1940s and 1950s. >>



That is a very nice looking example. Congrats and thanks for posting!

Do we know who designed, engraved and struck these? Was it Earl?

I wonder if any members here can remember these at the show or bought them originally from Earl?

Also would buying this back then be like buying the Ron Landis / Monaco Brasher doubloon recently?

stash

That's one beautiful coin there ....

ricko

Very impressive and high quality.... thanks for showing...Cheers, RickO

johnny9434

nice i like

Stuart

Stefanie: I love the design, quality and the 1940's era provenance of this very cool Kellogg & Co restrike!

mvs7

Very cool find!

kookoox10

Very pretty. That actually look real good as a coin club medal.

Zoins

Old Thread Update!

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
San Francisco coin dealer Earl Parker sold them as souvenirs at the ANA Conventions in the late 1940s and 1950s.

Do we know who designed, engraved and struck these? Was it Earl?

Just raw across an Earl Parker slug set on Heritage which indicates these may have been struck by Moise-Klinkner & Co or one of their successor companies.

Based upon both workmanship and timeline the Parker Facsimiles may have been made by Moise-Klinkner Co of San Francisco for coin dealer Earl Parker.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/so-called-dollars/-parker-slug-set-california-gold-facsimiles-uncertified-total-2-pieces-/a/1100-29615.s

Bill of CoinPeople writes the following so if Earl had these struck in the 40s and 50s, it may have been by Patrick & Moise Klinkner Co in the 1940s or Patrick & Co in the 1950s.

In 1930, Patrick & Co. bought Moise-Klinkner & Co. and changed their name to Patrick & Moise Klinkner Co. They kept the name until 1950 when they reverted to Patrick & Co. They are still in business today, although they no longer make tokens and medals.

http://www.coinpeople.com/topic/32054-moise-klinkner-product-catalog/

Anyone have more info on who may have struck these?

blackhorse360

I really like that coin. I even thought about buying one of the gold Restrikes they did after the Central America discovery but even those are Crazy Expensive

Zoins

@blackhorse360 said:
I really like that coin. I even thought about buying one of the gold Restrikes they did after the Central America discovery but even those are Crazy Expensive

Those are pretty nice. They were done using transfer dies created from the originals by Ron Landis.

coinsarefun

@Zoins said:
Old Thread Update!

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
San Francisco coin dealer Earl Parker sold them as souvenirs at the ANA Conventions in the late 1940s and 1950s.

Do we know who designed, engraved and struck these? Was it Earl?

Just raw across an Earl Parker slug set on Heritage which indicates these may have been struck by Moise-Klinkner & Co or one of their successor companies.

Based upon both workmanship and timeline the Parker Facsimiles may have been made by Moise-Klinkner Co of San Francisco for coin dealer Earl Parker.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/so-called-dollars/-parker-slug-set-california-gold-facsimiles-uncertified-total-2-pieces-/a/1100-29615.s

Bill of CoinPeople writes the following so if Earl had these struck in the 40s and 50s, it may have been by Patrick & Moise Klinkner Co in the 1940s or Patrick & Co in the 1950s.

In 1930, Patrick & Co. bought Moise-Klinkner & Co. and changed their name to Patrick & Moise Klinkner Co. They kept the name until 1950 when they reverted to Patrick & Co. They are still in business today, although they no longer make tokens and medals.

http://www.coinpeople.com/topic/32054-moise-klinkner-product-catalog/

Anyone have more info on who may have struck these?

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Ha, that's what I have run into while searching this along with several others. It is super interesting.
Thanks for posting the info as I forgot to bookmark my own thread

dcarr

NOTE: Old thread resurrected.

Obviously the original piece posted in this thread is brass.
Were they also produced in (pure) copper ?

I purchased this piece at a recent local coin show. It appears to be copper rather than brass, but I have not had it scientifically tested:

coinsarefun

Looks brass to me but open to the air or in a location that made it tone dark……nice s pickup.

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@dcarr said:
NOTE: Old thread resurrected.

Obviously the original piece posted in this thread is brass.
Were they also produced in (pure) copper ?

I purchased this piece at a recent local coin show. It appears to be copper rather than brass, but I have not had it scientifically tested:

Zoins

@dcarr said:
NOTE: Old thread resurrected.

Obviously the original piece posted in this thread is brass.
Were they also produced in (pure) copper ?

I purchased this piece at a recent local coin show. It appears to be copper rather than brass, but I have not had it scientifically tested:

It's possible. I would have it checked out.

I picked up this a while back and NGC notes it's copper:

Here's the cert and census links:

• Cert: https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/5954959-009/66/
• Census: https://www.ngccoin.com/census/united-states/tokens-and-medals/186/?c=853059&des=MS&grade=66&from=ngcresearch

coinsarefun

it an interesting piece @Daniel it’s an interesting piece @dcarr. I’ll try looking the next several days if there are any known examples but, it still looks brass to me. Maybe if you can weight it. I could look that up to.
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

Zoins

@coinsarefun said:
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

I'm sure errors can be made, but it doesn't look like brass to me in hand. It would be interesting to know how NGC determined its composition.

coinsarefun

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

I'm sure errors can be made, but it doesn't look like brass to me in hand. It would be interesting to know how NGC determined its composition.

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I owned a Wealth of the south token that NGC said was copper and even designated 64BN. But it was brass.
Mistakes are possible but, copper could be possible it it was a uniface. These I’ve seen.

Zoins

@coinsarefun said:

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

I'm sure errors can be made, but it doesn't look like brass to me in hand. It would be interesting to know how NGC determined its composition.

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I owned a Wealth of the south token that NGC said was copper and even designated 64BN. But it was brass.
Mistakes are possible but, copper could be possible it it was a uniface. These I’ve seen.

How did you determine the composition? Did you use XRF analysis?

If copper is possible for uniface, it seems it would also mean it's possible for copper to be struck with two dies as it would mean copper planchets were present with the dies.

Do you have any photos of the uniface specimens to compare?

coinsarefun

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

I'm sure errors can be made, but it doesn't look like brass to me in hand. It would be interesting to know how NGC determined its composition.

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I owned a Wealth of the south token that NGC said was copper and even designated 64BN. But it was brass.
Mistakes are possible but, copper could be possible it it was a uniface. These I’ve seen.

How did you determine the composition? Did you use XRF analysis?

If copper is possible for uniface, it seems it would also mean it's possible for copper to be struck with two dies as it would mean copper planchets were present with the dies.

Do you have any photos of the uniface specimens to compare?

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I did not do any testing on t but asked several people that are well versed in medals and they agreed mine was brass(Weath of the South)
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I use this as my major reference, although there have since been found to be a few errors in his booklet.
Also he has an NGC registry that shows every one that was Known to him at the time (2008) I believe.
Also, in his booklet and registries do show bronze and copper uniface only.
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Not saying they are not out there. It may have been that he was not aware of any copper struck so called slugs to Jankovsky.

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Zoins

@coinsarefun said:

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:

@Zoins said:

@coinsarefun said:
Nice one @Zoins. NGC Along with pcgs has made errors in the past but I’ll look into yours as well. Both still look like brass that has toned dark……..but, very well could be wrong.

I'm sure errors can be made, but it doesn't look like brass to me in hand. It would be interesting to know how NGC determined its composition.

.
I owned a Wealth of the south token that NGC said was copper and even designated 64BN. But it was brass.
Mistakes are possible but, copper could be possible it it was a uniface. These I’ve seen.

How did you determine the composition? Did you use XRF analysis?

If copper is possible for uniface, it seems it would also mean it's possible for copper to be struck with two dies as it would mean copper planchets were present with the dies.

Do you have any photos of the uniface specimens to compare?

I did not do any testing on t but asked several people that are well versed in medals and they agreed mine was brass(Weath of the South)
.
I use this as my major reference, although there have since been found to be a few errors in his booklet.
Also he has an NGC registry that shows every one that was Known to him at the time (2008) I believe.
Also, in his booklet and registries do show bronze and copper uniface only.
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Not saying they are not out there. It may have been that he was not aware of any copper struck so called slugs to Jankovsky.

It would certainly be interesting to get an XRF done. To me, it would even be great to have photos of the results in a reference

It's interesting that the reference says it's from Thomas J. Jankovsky's collection. I wonder if only covered things he owned, which his site seems to imply? It may be worth emailing him at mail@coin-currency.com for The Coin & Currency Institute, Inc.

Thomas J. Jankovsky said:
$50 Slug Facsimiles .. was able to complete this collection in 2008 .. then published Reference Guide .. today the Guide with Jankovsky J-#’s is now being used by the major Coin Grading and Auction Companies .. the last of this collection was sold by Heritage in Aug. 2013.

Here's an image of his to order the reference:

Ref: http://www.jankovsky.net/html/slug_facsimiles.html

coinsarefun

Yes you could email him ad also look through Bill Weber collection. But Jankovsky had one of the most complete collections and it's still there on NGC registry. Again he speaks of copper or bronze as uniface and possibly test strike.

coinsarefun

Plus I'm not sure why NGC designated yours a J-840 Whereas mine is a J-843
The only differences between J #'s in the hill(mound) in which the Eagle sits on
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Now, it could be that I am entirely out of it, tired and run down but, I cant find the differences.
Only th mound is supposed to be different.

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Yours........

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Mine.......

Side by side

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Zoins

@coinsarefun said:
Plus I'm not sure why NGC designated yours a J-840 Whereas mine is a J-843
The only differences between J #'s in the hill(mound) in which the Eagle sits on
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Now, it could be that I am entirely out of it, tired and run down but, I cant find the differences.
Only th mound is supposed to be different.

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Yours........

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Mine.......

Side by side

The mounds look different to me.

Look at the bottom mound's curve on the left and bottom beneath the claw.

The color on mine also looks much more red than toned brass I've seen.