Buff peeps.....Why didn't this Buff cross??

Manorcourtman · August 10, 2015 8:15AM

I recently tried to cross this Buff to PCGS at MS63 or greater. They said no go. Graded NGC 63 currently. It has nice luster contrary to my crappy pics. I'm not seeing anything other than the toning that is a distraction and the tone is darker in pics then in hand. Does PCGS hold tone against MS Buff's these days? It's a very tough DDR-003 example, in case you are wondering why I'm trying to cross a low dollar coin. Worth a crack out try? Opinions?

DIMEMAN · August 10, 2015 8:41AM

Toning is not a distraction to me, but in the pics it does have the look of an AU58. JMHO

jom · August 10, 2015 8:46AM

<< <i>Toning is not a distraction to me, but in the pics it does have the look of an AU58. JMHO >>

Going to have to agree here. There is flatness on the Buffalo's hind leg....at least from the photo it seems that way.

jom

crazyhounddog · August 10, 2015 8:48AM

The toning I see on this Buff would not hold it back. Remember luster rules the roost when it comes to grading. From what I can see from your images it would be a weaker strike, I can not judge the luster from images. If ya notice the hipbone and flank area is a bit flat along with the ridge line of fur on the Buffalo's shoulder area running down his leg being a bit incomplete. Remember the highest points of the coin that shows rub is also the last area to fill out when struck, meaning the hipbone and flank area.
This is what I see from the images. I hope it helps.

golden · August 10, 2015 9:28AM

<< <i>Toning is not a distraction to me, but in the pics it does have the look of an AU58. JMHO >>

Manorcourtman · August 10, 2015 9:38AM

Thanks for the opinions Guys. I see no wear, just weak strike in hand. The luster in hand is 100% Mint State and not a subdued AU type. I guess she'll just stay in the current plastic! No big deal. Thanks again!!

crazyhounddog · August 10, 2015 9:39AM

Here's a 66 for comparison. The luster on this one is booming....

jesbroken · August 10, 2015 10:01AM

From other 64-65's I've seen I could believe this one would grade
MS63, evidently not here obviously. The 31S is softly struck which shows up
on the high points. Photos are one of the worst ways to make a decision
regarding grades as they offer no angles and no changes in lighting.
I believe I would leave it as it is in the current plastic.
Good luck,
Jim

BTW...Great coin, Joe, also a great example of this coin.

koynekwest · August 10, 2015 10:19AM

Looks like a MS coin from here. The luster is a little flat and dull-that could explain it.

WoodenJefferson · August 10, 2015 11:38AM

AU-63

roadrunner · August 10, 2015 11:50AM

It's probably worth the same as PCGS MS62 money. So not a big risk in cracking it out if you're sure it won't come back AU58.

ad4400 · August 10, 2015 12:21PM

Since the value is going to be in the variety and not the grade I see no downside to cracking it out, assuming it is not attributed by ngc.

Treashunt · August 10, 2015 8:46PM

Perhaps they don't recognize the variety?

koynekwest · August 10, 2015 8:52PM

<< <i>Perhaps they don't recognize the variety? >>

I don't think anyone will properly attribute it until it appears in the upcoming Cherrypicker's guide.

291fifth · August 10, 2015 8:53PM

AU58.

LanceNewmanOCC · August 11, 2015 3:44AM

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that kind of ambient light generally kills a coin pic.

suggest trying better images.

the sun and ambient natural light can be used but carefully.
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