Thoughts about the 2016 National in AC
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I briefly remember the last AC National. I can say, it was my first National and I did not know what to expect. From what I heard during the show from dealers was not favorable for sales and the location might have distracted buyers. The past couple in Baltimore, Chicago and Cleveland have been much better.
What are your thoughts?
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Then I may actually have a chance at going to one!
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I remember this article. I remember being very disappointed reading it, as it pretty much says that a National on the West Coast is unlikely at best. The only National I have ever been to was one in Anaheim and I would love to see it return. It would be nice for the West Coast guys to get a short trip to the National at least once a decade!
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<< <i>I briefly remember the last AC National. I can say, it was my first National and I did not know what to expect. From what I heard during the show from dealers was not favorable for sales and the location might have distracted buyers. The past couple in Baltimore, Chicago and Cleveland have been much better.
What are your thoughts? >>
I know a dealer who hates the Atlantic City shows because his experience has been that too much money ends up on the blackjack tables as opposed to the the dealers tables. His worst shows have been in AC.
Last year was Cleveland, of course and this year it is in Chicago. There was a vote for the 2016 National between Anaheim and Atlantic City. Many of the dealers voted Atlantic City (which won the vote of course) since the dealers didn't want the west coast site. The reason Atlantic City was even considered (vs Anaheim) in this last vote was because basically the National show promoters will pay next to nothing for the Atlantic City convention center for next years National. I heard the 2003 National was horrible for dealers according to what most of the dealers honestly said. But, they were willing to try it again in 2016. So Atlantic City is going to be 2016. The short version is that the National will rotate between Chicago and Cleveland for the next 15 or so years with a NEW or DIFFERENT city on occasion every 3 or so years. Other cities such as St. louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Boston, and others have been mentioned as those on occasion cities.
I personally think the Atlantic City show will be a total disaster, for a variety of reasons. Most west coast collectors will not attend, so that will eliminate a lot of the collectors. However most New Yorkers and Philly guys who went to the Baltimore shows by train, will definately drive to the Atlantic City show.
But we will find out next year.
I do feel bad for the west coast collectors who are always shut out. For this to be a true "National" it needs to hit all areas in the country. And I say this as a resident of NE Ohio who loves that it comes to Cleveland so frequently.
Looking forward to 2018!
<< <i>The National location is voted on by the dealers as you know. In 2012, it was supposed to be in Cleveland, but Baltimore was the one time replacement for Cleveland for that year. The management for the Baltimore Convention Center is very difficult to deal with, so Baltimore will not be on the regular rotation.
Last year was Cleveland, of course and this year it is in Chicago. There was a vote for the 2016 National between Anaheim and Atlantic City. Many of the dealers voted Atlantic City (which won the vote of course) since the dealers didn't want the west coast site. The reason Atlantic City was even considered (vs Anaheim) in this last vote was because basically the National show promoters will pay next to nothing for the Atlantic City convention center for next years National. I heard the 2003 National was horrible for dealers according to what most of the dealers honestly said. But, they were willing to try it again in 2016. So Atlantic City is going to be 2016. The short version is that the National will rotate between Chicago and Cleveland for the next 15 or so years with a NEW or DIFFERENT city on occasion every 3 or so years. Other cities such as St. louis, Kansas City, Dallas, Boston, and others have been mentioned as those on occasion cities.
I personally think the Atlantic City show will be a total disaster, for a variety of reasons. Most west coast collectors will not attend, so that will eliminate a lot of the collectors. However most New Yorkers and Philly guys who went to the Baltimore shows by train, will definately drive to the Atlantic City show.
But we will find out next year. >>
I don't think Boston will ever get it, just like New York because of some union crap about their guys having to handle all merchandise coming in and out of the venue which will of course be paid by the dealers themselves. No thanks! I can bring my own inventory in to my booth.
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<< <i>San Diego would be a great location. It's been good enough for Comicon for many years. >>
San Diego sounds great and nightly outings to Tijuana!
Atlantic City is going to be a debacle, as it was last time it was there.
I don't see it ever being on the west coast again. Cleveland/Chicago with occasionally another city thrown in.
The hobby needs new promoters to take over.
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Plenty be of collectors on the east coast
I didn't go to Chicago this year because of the location and a guy from the mid west won't go to AC next year. It all evens out ! I went to the AC show last time and did very well with my purchases
Scott
<< <i>The hobby needs new promoters to take over. >>
AMEN to this.
For now I'm planning to go to AC, but I think it's going to be a complete disaster. While there is a large block of East Coast dealers who will like it because of reduced travel costs, I have no doubt that tons of $ will be lost to the casinos. If pricing strategy is anything like it was here in Chicago, when people like me can't buy cards at prices they feel like are reasonable they will inevitably end up sending that money in the casino instead.
I went to the last National in Anaheim and I thought it was fantastic. I walked out of there with a ton of cool items that year, stuff I didn't see here in Chicago. Plus, you've got the other draws like Universal and Disney, the beach, it's a great location for a multi-purpose trip. Chicago has been great for that as well.
I thought years and years ago there was an East Coast AND a West Coast National, is that right? I'm definitely in favor of trying to bring it back to California.
And honestly, if we're going to pick casino towns, just go to Vegas. It shouldn't be too hard to get players to show up to sign there.
<< <i>San Diego would be a great location. It's been good enough for Comicon for many years. >>
ComicCon is a different animal altogether. I just went to a mini-one in Houston last week, it had probably 2-3x the attendance of the last Tristar show.