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Counterfeit $20 NGC ms64 COIN ON EBAY

joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
If anyone wants to report it across the street as well or anywhere else.

I was debating trying to buy it and see what was done to the slab (whether it was cracked or not first)
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either way both the tag and coin are for sure no good

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may the fonz be with you...always...

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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported. That's one very ugly fake. The reverse looks so bad with details so weak, it almost looks entirely struck thru grease.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bid is over $10k now........lol

    reported.

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭


    << <i>bid is over $10k now........lol

    reported.

    bobimage >>



    I want to know who outbid me!

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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow!! That barcode has no coin to correspond with it. It so much different than the actual coin listed on NGC's verification. This is precisely why all TPG companies should be photographing the coin, and the coin with the slab. You want to stop these counterfeiters you provide a way to positively identify a real coin. It's not as difficult as they seem to want to make it. Good catch by the OP.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I want to know who outbid me!

    -Paul >>



    i would let you have it as a fellow forumite but i really be needing that date. image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>bid is over $10k now........lol

    reported.

    bobimage >>



    WOW!!!

    A genuine one would only be worth a small fraction of that. The 1904 is by far the most common date amoung the Liberty double eagles.

    And this a really poor counterfeit. I don't think the "Omega Man" would put his stamp on that one. image

    I just looked it up. Unfortunately the serial number does go back to an NGC graded 1904 double eagle in MS-64. imageimage
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think the "Omega Man" would put his stamp on that one. image >>



    classic!

    he told me personally he would, if fact, not. so there ya go.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Current bid is $22,322.22 for this really bad and obvious fake. The high bidder is protecting others from buying this coin and has no intention of ever paying it.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Current bid is $22,322.22 for this really bad and obvious fake. The high bidder is protecting others from buying this coin and has no intention of ever paying it. >>



    what!? - only a moron(s) would do such a thing! image
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $23,100 and 20 bidders. holy chit
  • DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Reported.

    Nice work by all.
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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭
    imageimage Ebay has got a 30k cap on my account, and some body outbid me! image
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>imageimage Ebay has got a 30k cap on my account, and some body outbid me! image >>



    sure wish someone around here had a high cap so i could find out where mine is. last i checked it was well over 6 figures but i cant get there on my own. need another moron to help me find out. lmao
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  • PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    Just under $45000.00, with 42 hours remaining!
    FUNNY!
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just under $45000.00, with 42 hours remaining!
    FUNNY! >>



    Do the sellers have pay the commssions on this insane bid? Maybe the bidders think these bids are in Zimbabwe dollars. If they keep on the commsions will equal the value of the real coin.
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  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926
    Still listed....$55,655 with 1 day/17 hours to go
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seller has only been around for 2-3 months. And their only neg was for a $9 shipping charge. On this auction they are only charging $2.54....great value. Didn't take them long to go rogue. image

    $75,100!
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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>bid is over $10k now........lol

    reported.

    bobimage >>



    WOW!!!

    A genuine one would only be worth a small fraction of that. The 1904 is by far the most common date amoung the Liberty double eagles.

    And this a really poor counterfeit. I don't think the "Omega Man" would put his stamp on that one. image

    I just looked it up. Unfortunately the serial number does go back to an NGC graded 1904 double eagle in MS-64. imageimage >>



    I did look this coin up on the NGC website and you can clearly see both the tag and coin are different.
    I wonder if the seller things hes going to make it BIG???
    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    Reported.
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  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭✭
    Welp, at least now I know the cap on my account. Good luck to the winning bidder! ; )
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    has the precipice been reached?

    that is the question on the minds of all the viewers.

    so now, do we venture from madness into insanity?
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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gosh, and NGC has only graded 35,000+ real ones in MS64. image
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Gosh, and NGC has only graded 35,000+ real ones in MS64. image >>



    or perhaps just one that was submitted 34,999+ times to try and get a +?
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported... and now at $100k.image
    When in doubt, don't.
  • DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Somebody educate me. Suppose I "win" an auction for $100k that I have no intention of paying for.

    How does that work?


    BTW -- I am not involved in the bidding frenzy on that lovely coin.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Somebody educate me. Suppose I "win" an auction for $100k that I have no intention of paying for.

    How does that work?


    BTW -- I am not involved in the bidding frenzy on that lovely coin. >>




    Well since the coin and holder are FAKE, the seller cannot possibly follow through with the advertised authentic NGC MS64 coin they are advertising. So that's a transaction that is significantly NOT as described....and unenforceable. Fakes are not allowed under EBAY policy. Give Ebay the facts and the auction goes poof. I'm with you though. I don't want to be the first one to have a loop hole found where I'm on the hook for $100 G's. The Forum Fake patrol has been doing this for many years with impressive results.

    1904 double eagle 20 dollar gold coin graded by top-tier grading company NGC. Retail ngc guide lists it as $2300. But you have the possibility of getting it for much less, this will be a no reserve auction with the highest bidder winning the coin as seen in photographs. There will be no returns on this coin as it has been professionally graded and will be mailed via USPS with signature confirmation. Please message me with any questions

    Multiple mistruths in the above statement.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Somebody educate me. Suppose I "win" an auction for $100k that I have no intention of paying for.

    How does that work?


    BTW -- I am not involved in the bidding frenzy on that lovely coin. >>




    Well since the coin and holder are FAKE, the seller cannot possibly follow through with the advertised authentic NGC MS64 coin they are advertising. So that's a transaction that is significantly NOT as described....and unenforceable. Fakes are not allowed under EBAY policy. Give Ebay the facts and the auction goes poof. I'm with you though. I don't want to be the first one to have a loop hole found where I'm on the hook for $100 G's. The Forum Fake patrol has been doing this for many years with impressive results. >>



    What if they have the REAL one with the same serial number? Could you be on the hook for $100,000 for a $1,500 coin?
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...What if they have the REAL one with the same serial number? Could you be on the hook for $100,000 for a $1,500 coin? >>



    I guess that's possible. But the real one would have to match perfectly with the photo shown in the auction...including such details as the bridge of her nose missing and all the stars looking like mush. That's an interesting reverse scam worthy of Ocean's 14. image

    In any case, I've never heard of Ebay forcing someone to pay for something that they didn't want to. You just don't pay and walk away. Worse outcome is being NARU'd/banned. If you don't have $100K in your Paypal account how could they even get it? I guess the seller could always take you to court but good luck with that.
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  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Somebody educate me. Suppose I "win" an auction for $100k that I have no intention of paying for.

    How does that work?


    BTW -- I am not involved in the bidding frenzy on that lovely coin. >>



    You simply do not pay for the coin. You may possibly get an unpaid item strike against you, but that's all. More importantly, you get to leave negative feedback for the seller letting everyone know he sells counterfeit coins.
  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Geez, how sad !!! :-(
    Timbuk3
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    The seller is really stoked right now....




    ...until he doesn't get paid image
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More fun though will be all the people viewing this auction and not realizing its a fake and screaming I want $100,000 for mine as well- only to auction it tomorrow and only get $2,000 or less
    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭


    What sort of BULLCRAP is going on there? image


    I always wanted to be one of those hi bidder hot shots. My sniper bid of $3.54 million will be waiting ! image
  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yawn

    unimportant player

    let me know when you kids do something of importance
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>More fun though will be all the people viewing this auction and not realizing its a fake and screaming I want $100,000 for mine as well- only to auction it tomorrow and only get $2,000 or less >>



    this is a valid point and if in a court of law, i would argue if ebay would do their job, actions like this wouldn't be required granted we didnt have to go as far as we did but i do it in hopes of bringing attention to the issue and yes, i find it morbidly and mildly entertaining but prefer the days of old when we could just get this mierda/scheiße removed nearly instantly. tons of high price nuance surrounds collectables so it isn't unprecedented and i would love to be on the witness stand when someone would say something about ebay not having the resources to track/remove this stuff and how buyers are solely responsible. grrr

    can you picture a killer whale playing with a seal?

    ebay does not want any more publicity on this issue and anyone trying to force a sale like this with as many of us as there are tracking these sellers with images, would be in for the ride of their life if i had anything to say about it.

    not saying i would come out unscathed but i wouldn't want to be on the other side of this issue in open court. i already smell mass-tort/class-action to the tune of a minimum of hundreds of millions if a lot of bidders/buyers could be found and not just in numismatic categories.

    ive even told ebay reps i bid on fakes to prevent unsuspecting buyers from winning them. i personally have nothing to hide about anything in this thread and just wanted it on the record. image

    there have been many suits against ebay though and some rather a big deal, yet business as usual.....

    rant over and not intended towards any members and not trying to "get all serious", just speaking my piece.. image
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  • It appears to have been jettisoned, and hasn't been relisted.....as of yet. I got a strong feeling it'll be back up before long. Good job to those that aided in getting it removed!

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