Discovery Piece 2014 Shield Cent DDR

stash

Designers Signatures are doubled, also nice curves on the " O " of OF and the " C " of AMERICA . To me the whole word America looks very wide [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A073 - 20150618_170939 2-horz_zpsxdgz87f3.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A109 - 20150619_080232 2_zpsvqwnspzv.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A100 - 20150619_063223 2_zpsv9ahojtl.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A076 - 20150618_172857 2_zpsrdfnvhcp.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A038 - 20150618_112108 2_zpsenwzhdnx.jpg.html][/URL]

lasvegasteddy

wow
congrats...that "O" of one really stands out

Papi

Looks like mechanical/machine doubling to me

stash

<< <i>Looks like mechanical/machine doubling to me >>

Time will tell, but I think its a good one myself .. Wish I could get better images, but I don't own a camera hook to a scope . I only own a dino-scope with 50x . One good thing, it takes true view images with great color ...

DCW

I agree that this looks like mechanical doubling or more likely a trick of the lighting. I don't see anything to suggest a doubled die.
Could you get a cellphone shot of the reverse without all the glare. The "E PLURIBUS UNUM" should be wavy on a ddr since this part of the design is incuse.

FredWeinberg

I'm not a Die Variety specialist,
but I'd say from what I see,
"ERICA" and "OF" certainly
looks like a doubled die - if not
a tripled die......

sanitarium1inmate

I hope I'm wrong, but since looking at a lot of machine doubling and die deteriation doubling and getting informed by Mr. Wexler. I believe this would fall in the not a real doubled die variation but more of the more common die deteriation version. There is no separation on any of the lettering or initials. The T in CENT shows the doubling on both the right side, the bottom, and slightly on the left of the top of the T. Like I said, I hope I am wrong but that is my opinion. Kris

cmerlo1

I see split serifs, indicating a doubled die. Definitely a nice one, considering we're in the (apparently most of the time) 'single squeeze' hubbing era.

CoinZip

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<< <i>Looks like mechanical/machine doubling to me >>

Time will tell, but I think its a good one myself .. Wish I could get better images, but I don't own a camera hook to a scope . I only own a dino-scope with 50x . One good thing, it takes true view images with great color ... >>



Turn on your PM and I can help you take better photos with a Dino-Lite...

ricko

There does appear to be some separation of the serif's in the last A in America and the designer initials... could be the lighting, but that is what I see....Cheers, RickO

JCLIGHTBRIGADE

It kinda looks like a little of both, I see split serifs on the F in OF and a few other letters but the other doubling looks mechanical.

joeykoins

Yes, put me in the double or triple die group. Nice find!

stash

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<< <i>Looks like mechanical/machine doubling to me >>

Time will tell, but I think its a good one myself .. Wish I could get better images, but I don't own a camera hook to a scope . I only own a dino-scope with 50x . One good thing, it takes true view images with great color ... >>



Turn on your PM and I can help you take better photos with a Dino-Lite... >>

Ok I turned on my PM, had to cut the lawn pull cord broke and had to fix it . Three hours later, well at least the lawn cut . Lol..

sanitarium1inmate

I do love the way the last A in AMERICA looks like it is tripled. I don't even know how this could happen with the Obv being normal. Is there any signs of the coin being stuck in the hubbing press? Like I said earlier, I'm no expert and I really hope this is a real DDR.
As for the separation on the serifs of the F in OF, it does look a little bit separated. I just have to wonder how it shows on the right side and the top of the F, with the top being slightly shifted over to the left of the top left corner. Could this be from the angle of the picture? Please excuse me for I am still trying to learn all I can. Thank you for finding this coin and I can't wait to see better pictures and confirmation from a true die variety expert. Kris

CaptHenway

I agree with Fred.

MWallace

I agree with Tom.

stash

Heres an image of AMERICA [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A050 - 20150618_113807 2_zpsfvkta8ze.jpg.html][/URL]

Type2

Looks like machine doubling here as well.

sanitarium1inmate

Could you get a shot like that of the word OF so we can see the separation in the letter F? That would be very key to telling if it is a true doubled die/tripled die. Your original pictures show separation in the serifs, but a better shot would prove it is not just the camera angle playin tricks on our eyes. Nice pic of AMERICA though, that looks amazing. Kris

stash

<< <i>Could you get a shot like that of the word OF so we can see the separation in the letter F? That would be very key to telling if it is a true doubled die/tripled die. Your original pictures show separation in the serifs, but a better shot would prove it is not just the camera angle playin tricks on our eyes. Nice pic of AMERICA though, that looks amazing. Kris >>

Here you go a image of " OF " .... [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A080 - 20150618_174458 2_zpsywa5fiur.jpg.html][/URL]

stash

<< <i>Could you get a shot like that of the word OF so we can see the separation in the letter F? That would be very key to telling if it is a true doubled die/tripled die. Your original pictures show separation in the serifs, but a better shot would prove it is not just the camera angle playin tricks on our eyes. Nice pic of AMERICA though, that looks amazing. Kris >>

Heres another one with no overhead lighting [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A078 - 20150618_173025 2_zps5quyxeoj.jpg.html][/URL]

DCW

The "F" is intriguing, but there is just too much glare to convince these eyes. Let me ask again: Is there any distortion to "E PLURIBUS UNUM?" Again, this is an incused design, and it will be wavy on big shield doubled die. Take a look at 2013 WDDR-002 and you'll see what I mean. (I "discovered" that one.)

winky

Nice pick.

stash

<< <i>The "F" is intriguing, but there is just too much glare to convince these eyes. Let me ask again: Is there any distortion to "E PLURIBUS UNUM?" Again, this is an incused design, and it will be wavy on big shield doubled die. Take a look at 2013 WDDR-002 and you'll see what I mean. (I "discovered" that one.) >>

I'll get some images up for you .. UNUM is pretty wide looking to me, at least thats what catches my eyes .. I have right now a image that has notching on the " N " of One which also catches the designer signature to, with overhead lighting . . [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A103 - 20150619_074912 2_zpsksfojdod.jpg.html][/URL]

DCW

This is the distortion that I'm referring to on the 2013 ddr. Do you see how twisted the incuse design becomes?
The images you are providing of the designer initials appear to be MD or glare.
Hope I'm wrong
Here is a crummy shot of the initials on the 2013. Even with the cellphone, the doubled LB is obvious:

messydesk

I'd have to see it in hand, but it actually looks tripled in some places (CA in AMERICA, maybe the F in OF). It could actually be a doubled die that also has strike doubling. Could also be some funky optical illusions.

richbeat

<< <i>I'd have to see it in hand, but it actually looks tripled in some places (CA in AMERICA, maybe the F in OF). It could actually be a doubled die that also has strike doubling. Could also be some funky optical illusions. >>



I tend to agree with you. There are definitely split serifs; at least part of it is a doubled die, if not tripled.

GrumpyEd

I see shelf like doubling SW on LB then I see it east and west on the O of ONE. Looks like MD in 2 directions.
The OF is hard to call, the O has shelves NW and East then the F has it NW.

Not sure about being a doubled die but it looks like it has MD in more than one direction. Also not sure if part of it is from lighting.

stash

<< <i>The "F" is intriguing, but there is just too much glare to convince these eyes. Let me ask again: Is there any distortion to "E PLURIBUS UNUM?" Again, this is an incused design, and it will be wavy on big shield doubled die. Take a look at 2013 WDDR-002 and you'll see what I mean. (I "discovered" that one.) >>

Here's an image of UNUM . The " N and M " on the top left side is worn, with a die groove or chip in the top center of the " N " .. The bottom right side of the " U " has notching [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A117 - 20150620_072923 2_zpsbrg2lsav.jpg.html][/URL]

stash

<< <i>The "F" is intriguing, but there is just too much glare to convince these eyes. Let me ask again: Is there any distortion to "E PLURIBUS UNUM?" Again, this is an incused design, and it will be wavy on big shield doubled die. Take a look at 2013 WDDR-002 and you'll see what I mean. (I "discovered" that one.) >>

Heres an image of E PLURIBUS .. There's notching on the lower right side and the lower left side of the " E " .. Notching on the lower right side of the " L " .. Notching on the right lower side of the " P " .. Notching on the lower left, right side of the " R " and lower right side of the " I " too .. [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/A118 - 20150620_091905 2_zpsp5es9lls.jpg.html][/URL]

DCW

There cannot be notching on any of what you are pointing out on E PLURIBUS UNUM, as it is an incuse design! If it is doubled, the "doubling" will act to take away from the design. Compare my photo above.
I really think that the doubling and tripling everyone is seeing here is a trick of the lighting, nothing more.
Maybe send it out to Wexler for a look. He will know immediately what you have. Good luck

stash

<< <i>There cannot be notching on any of what you are pointing out on E PLURIBUS UNUM, as it is an incuse design! If it is doubled, the "doubling" will act to take away from the design. Compare my photo above.
I really think that the doubling and tripling everyone is seeing here is a trick of the lighting, nothing more.
Maybe send it out to Wexler for a look. He will know immediately what you have. Good luck >>

I look at another 2014 Shield Cent to compare too, its notching, or missing some of the lettering ...

sanitarium1inmate

That F from OF is the only thing I see that really has a chance to be a doubling with everything else being die deteriation from an over used die that is on its way out. Looking at the word AMERICA and it does look very close to the quarter I sent pictures to Wexler on. It looks as if it is doubled or tripled on top of each other but is truly just the die breaking down and missing metal from stamping too many coins before being changed out. I would still hunt down Wexler to get a final answer on this, but all I can do is wish you luck on the F from OF since it really has a good chance of split serifs. The lighting could still be playing an issue. I really hope you get lucky on this though, Kris.

tahoe98

...Lots and lots of flatness. I'd lean toward MD. Not really seeing notching. I'll send you my address so you can send it to me to check it in hand...

WoodenJefferson

I see (in the images presented) Machine Doubling w/die erosion. Might be doubling in there somewhere but not totally convinced it's a true doubled die.

Maybe.

stash

Thanks everyone ...

DCW

Any updates on this?

tincup

Looks interesting, but... incuse designs are tricky when it comes to doubled dies. So I would have to say that,... I don't know!

Steve

I read this thread as a Lincoln cent collector who has 0% interest in what I call "minor doubling" or machine doubling. It was interesting to me to read the lively discussion about whether or not this particular coin was machine doubling or a real doubled die. In the end it seems like none of the collectors were absolutely sure one way or the other. No one mentioned a monetary value for this common date 2014 Lincoln cent but it is hard for me as a non collector of these type of discovery coins to think they would have a value of more than a few cents to any collector. I am the proud owner of a 1955 PCGS MS62BN doubled die Lincoln cent in which the doubling is so obvious with the naked eye. While I can appreciate that there are some collectors who collect these minor DD's I have a very hard time envisioning other collectors paying any significant premium for them. JMHO. Steve

MsMorrisine

I agree with Fred and Capt but also think some of that "one Cent" looks like mechanical doubling


I think you have a coin with both die variety and mechanical issues.

AUandAG

If you have to have a 50x loupe or scope, then what does it matter?

bob

stash

<< <i>Any updates on this? >>

I haven't sent it in yet, I'll let you know when I do ...

LanceNewmanOCC

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so the title states discovery coin but this isn't official yet?
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DCW

I'd keep the champagne on ice just yet...

stash

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so the title states discovery coin but this isn't official yet?
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Not official yet, that is correct ..

stash

<< <i>I'd keep the champagne on ice just yet... >>

I'll pay for the ice to keep the champagne old ...