1921 Peace Dollar (VAM-1Z) - PCGS MS-64 - Well-Struck with Glossy Luster

Stuart · June 15, 2015 9:44AM

I'm pleased to share this new 1921 Peace Dollar purchase with my fellow forum members, and am looking forward to seeing your comments and observations about her.

I think that she's got great eye appeal.

1921 Peace Dollar (VAM-1Z) - PCGS MS-64 - Well-Struck with Glossy Luster

(Photo Credit - SGRCI)

braddick · June 15, 2015 9:50AM

Nice strike and the fields look more PL than glossy.
I neat look!

LanceNewmanOCC · June 15, 2015 9:50AM

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i usually dont go gonzo for 21 peace specifically, this one looks like the exception based on the images.

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Meltdown · June 15, 2015 10:59AM

Wonderful strike on that sucker! It looks to be un-dipped and original... I like a little haze on the surface, It's often a good indication that it still has original skin.

LanLord · June 15, 2015 11:03AM

It looks nice, but has the standard weakness in the hair over the ear.

It almost has a PROOF looking field with a matte main device. Interesting coin

lasvegasteddy · June 15, 2015 11:48AM

definitely one of the better struck examples here with super clean fields
i bet she darn glows in hand with all this beauty

awesome example...64 or 65 would be my guess

OldIndianNutKase · June 15, 2015 1:17PM

Sturat, Very nice coin. I especially like the reverse. The obverse has some " scratches" on Ms. Liberty's face that are distracting for me. I am glad that you are happy with her.

OINK

BryceM · June 15, 2015 2:44PM

Looks like a very flashy and appealing coin. The reverse is quite nice, which is so very often true.

I've been looking at this for a while, trying to decide what I'm seeing on the obverse in the fields in front of Liberty's face and below the TY of "LIBERTY". It's either a little surface film / haze / scuzz, or it's a little surface disturbance left over from deep toning that has been stripped away. I'm leaning toward a little splotchy surface film, which is fine, but it would be interesting to see in-hand. The surfaces of the reverse seem to have a slightly different quality & texture to them than the obverse.

Strike is above average, with separation at the hair curl.

I wish they could have preserved the high-relief design somehow for the rest of the series.....

lordmarcovan · June 15, 2015 3:24PM

Nice, particularly the reverse.

Oney · June 15, 2015 11:23PM

Very nice coin Stuart.

asheland · June 15, 2015 11:32PM

Awesome coin!
MS62

lkeigwin · June 15, 2015 11:44PM

<< <i>Looks like a very flashy and appealing coin. The reverse is quite nice, which is so very often true.

I've been looking at this for a while, trying to decide what I'm seeing on the obverse in the fields in front of Liberty's face and below the TY of "LIBERTY". It's either a little surface film / haze / scuzz, or it's a little surface disturbance left over from deep toning that has been stripped away. I'm leaning toward a little splotchy surface film, which is fine, but it would be interesting to see in-hand. The surfaces of the reverse seem to have a slightly different quality & texture to them than the obverse.

Strike is above average, with separation at the hair curl.

I wish they could have preserved the high-relief design somehow for the rest of the series..... >>

I agree. And I believe the "scuzz" is PVC haze. I think this is a superb example but if it were mine I would either crack and dip it or submit it to PCGS for proper conservation.
Lance.

messydesk · June 15, 2015 11:59PM

Very nice! I'll guess 63. Well struck, and I imagine quite flashy.

Flatwoods · June 16, 2015 12:06AM

Nice looking coin. I generally prefer them circulated and a little dirty but I appreciate that one for what it is.

ricko · June 16, 2015 2:24AM

Nice coin with a good strike.... I would acetone rinse that one.... Cheers, RickO

Stuart · June 16, 2015 9:58PM

Thanks to all fellow forum members who have posted to share your thoughts and observations about my new 1921 Peace Dollar.

I selected this coin based on what appeared to me (in the photos) as a coin with Glossy to perhaps Semi-Prooflike luster in the fields, and light Cameo Contrast with Frosty devices.

Obverse strike appears hammered to me, except for the typical weakness in Miss Liberty's hair over her ear. Reverse strike also appears strong. -- Perhaps it was one of the 1921 Peace Dollars minted using the 150 Ton striking pressure (Ref: Roger Burdette's A Guide Book of Peace Dollars).

The seller (coin dealer) described the coin luster in hand as "Glossy to almost Semi-Prooflike". -- However, I have not yet received the coin to observe in-hand.

I'd be interested in seeing additional forum member thoughts and observations about this coin.

oih82w8 · June 16, 2015 10:08PM

Very nice "piece".

vplite · June 17, 2015 4:19AM

No grade?

Stuart · June 17, 2015 10:36AM

<< No grade? >>

VPLite: In reply to your above quoted post, yes this coin is numerically graded by PCGS.

However, I thought it would be nice to stimulate some intellectual numismatic discussion of this coin's interesting characteristics as mentioned in my earlier posts in this thread, prior to revealing the grade.

vplite · June 17, 2015 1:59PM

Fair enough! 64.

asheland · June 18, 2015 12:16AM

I want the grade!!!

johnny9434 · June 18, 2015 12:37AM

nice pick up

dizzlecc · June 19, 2015 11:00AM

I'll guess the grade is ms64. It is a nice 1921 peace, although I'm curious about the semi-prooflike luster, hard to tell from the image.

HighRelief · June 19, 2015 11:12AM

A PL Peace Dollar would be a find, wouldn't it?

Nice one Stu

Stuart · June 20, 2015 10:39AM

<< A PL Peace Dollar would be a find, wouldn't it? >>

Brian, In reply to your above posted quote, yes a PL (or even Semi-PL) 1921 Peace Dollar would be a very cool find!

As an update, I have not yet received the coin, but will post my observations after having a chance to examine it in hand.

Stuart · June 22, 2015 10:30AM

I received the subject coin today, and am pleased to report that it possesses what I'd describe as Glossy Luster on the obverse plus light Cameo Contrast with Frosty devices, and Satin Luster on the reverse.

I've attributed it as a VAM-1Z as described in this VAMWorld web link.

My reference scale for Peace Dollar luster progression is as follows: Frosty, Satiny, Glossy to Semi-PL.

Wolf359 · June 22, 2015 2:07PM

Based on the booming luster and strike, the combination which is a genuine rarity in 1921 Peace Dollars, MS64+.

lasvegasteddy · June 22, 2015 3:15PM

always sweet when an online buy arrives and happiness about doesn't recede

so are those fields on the obverse like a mirror that the image displays?

of note
i find it interesting how that one ray right before the eagles neck...looks like it was recut or something
that ray really stands out

will we see this in a trueview in the future?

one of the best looking coins ever out of the mint right here and it is a treat to see amazing examples

"i'm on pins n needles awaiting my new example to arrive" that you know about

ricko · June 22, 2015 11:35PM

Nice that you are pleased with it 'in hand'...and that it met your expectations. Looks like a '64....could be '65...Cheers, RickO

metalmeister · June 22, 2015 11:57PM

64 or 65 ??

Stuart · June 23, 2015 5:13AM

I'm pleased to reveal that the subject coin of this thread is graded PCGS MS-64.

1921 Peace Dollar (VAM-1Z) - PCGS MS-64 - Well-Struck with Glossy Luster

(Photo Credit - SGRCI)

Stuart · June 26, 2015 11:16AM

<< will we see this in a trueview in the future? >>

Teddy, In reply to your above quoted post, at this time I don't have any plans for PCGS to take any True View photos of this coin.

Stuart · July 3, 2015 6:38AM

I've attributed the subject coin as a VAM-1Z (Line in 2 + Heavy Polishing Lines in Lower Reverse) as illustrated in this VAMWorld Web Link and have updated the thread illustration legends to include this annotation.

I believe that it was struck during a relatively early die state (EDS), based on the glossy luster displayed on the obverse and satiny reverse luster.

epcjimi1 · July 3, 2015 8:05AM

epcjimi1 · July 3, 2015 8:09AM

epcjimi1 · July 3, 2015 8:38AM

I don't get it. The hair @ the ear on this Peace looks like a map of North America. I don't see the value in flat hair '21 Peace dollars regardless of the VAM 1Z.

21 Peace VAM 1Z attribution - Text

This is my PCGS 64 with hair detail. Not a VAM 1Z. And the value in this appears open to speculation MHO.

Stuart · July 4, 2015 1:57AM

<< I don't get it. The hair @ the ear on this Peace looks like a map of North America. I don't see the value in flat hair '21 Peace dollars regardless of the VAM 1Z. >>

epcjimi1: Thanks for your comments. In reply to your above quoted post, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I selected this specific coin based on what I'd describe as Glossy Luster (approaching Semi-Prooflike) on the obverse with light contrasting Cameo Frosty Devices, and Satin Luster on the reverse. -- This type of luster is uncommon on 1921 Peace Dollars.

Obverse strike is strong, except for the typical weakness in Miss Liberty's hair over her ear. Reverse strike is also strong. -- Perhaps it was one of the 1921 Peace Dollars minted using the 150 Ton striking pressure (Ref: Roger Burdette's A Guide Book of Peace Dollars). (It's not my most sharply struck 1921 Peace Dollar, especially in the central obverse hair area.)

As for the VAM-1Z, I enjoy collecting 1921 Peace Dollars by Early Die State and VAM Varieties.

epcjimi1 · July 4, 2015 3:43AM

Deleted because I actually care. Believe it or not.

epcjimi1 · July 4, 2015 4:42AM

<< <i>
Obverse strike is strong, except for the typical weakness in Miss Liberty's hair over her ear. >>

Srsly. What? It's strong, yet weak over the ear, I just posted a pic where that is not true, See ya, whatever, WFC.

1921 Peace Dollar (VAM-1Z) - PCGS MS-64 - Well-Struck with Glossy Luster

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