Which Morgan do you prefer? PEACE DOLLAR RESULTS ADDED.

lkeigwin

Why? Guess the grades?
Lance.

BustHalfBrian

I prefer the post-dip coin

lasvegasteddy

door number 1 please
it's got character and color scattered here n there...a lil pull away toning on the date too

grades...uh...uh
65-ish

sweet examples regardless...not like TZ 750 sweet
but they're sporty enough to like

AUandAG

Ooops too late to prefer #1 as it has gone to the cleaners.

bob

lasvegasteddy

<< <i>Ooops too late to prefer #1 as it has gone to the cleaners.

bob >>



i think you're on to something on that note...

looks like a before and after shot now looking at this

TopographicOceans

Both 65
I'd go with #1 since it looks different than other ones.

coin22lover

# 2 personally. The toning on the first one is too rich for me.

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>Ooops too late to prefer #1 as it has gone to the cleaners.

bob >>



It's the same coin. Note the horizontal line at the bust's temple area behind the eye.

Wabbit2313

Same coin and I don't like either. Whoever removed the toning needs to go back to his day job since the finish product looks terrible. That said I suppose someone will tell me it was done by a professional. (I hope it was not you Lance? )

Michael4692

2 by far. That tone is an eyesore.

MS63
MS65

GRANDAM

I generally like white coins but when I buy a toned coin I like a coin such as the top coin

with an even overall tone across the whole coin on both sides, with both sides having pretty much the same appearance.

I actually like the top coin.

I really don't care for partial or rim toning.

GrandAm

Type2

Dip Dip hooray.

lkeigwin

No dip, honest guys! But I am thinking about it...
Lance.

LogPotato

I like number 1.

Just buy one of the tens of thousands that are already white.

Stuart

Lance, My initial reaction was to pick the white coin, which is certainly an attractive 1904-O Morgan.

The more I look at the toned coin, the more I like it. As others have posted it certainly is more unique than a blast white common 1904-O Morgan. The obverse toning pattern is reminiscent of textile canvas bag toning. IMO it would be a mistake to dip the toned coin, if for no other reason than to preserve its originality. -- If you don't like the toning, sell the coin to someone else who appreciates it.

Although the toning is spotty, which most attribute to low eye appeal, I suspect that the toning colors will appear more lively and reflective when the coin is viewed in hand than as depicted in the photos.

As for Morgan Toners, I prefer coins like this that are toned on both sides, giving the coin a more balanced appearance.

When comparing these 2 coins, since their appearance and eye appeal are so drastically different I could care less about grade, except for calculating a fair market value price.

messydesk

I'd have to see the toned one in hand to see how I liked it. Until you said otherwise, I was thinking that it dipped out nicely, since the coins are from the same die pair and I thought I saw some same contact marks on the obverse of both coins.

roadrunner

#1 could have been graded as high as MS66 just a few years ago. That toning can easily hide some minor chatter.....which it looks like that's all there is.

I'd pick the first version as it's not the same old white coin you tend to run into. Version #2 is not blast white either....just looks satiny. While version #2 looks to be ok for a 65, I'm not so sure that the abundance of little chatter doesn't drop it to 64+.

And a couple years from now I don't think I'd like coin #2 at all.

Broadstruck

Same coin dipped... More curious if it graded higher TPG wise once albino

TwoSides2aCoin

In photos, i like the one that has character, not chatter. In essence; the coin left to age alone, without any "tweaking" is always my preference.

DennisH

Number 2, because the tone is just too unattractive for me.
Both MS65.

ColonelJessup

<< <i>Same coin dipped... More curious if it graded higher TPG wise once albino >>



+1

Incomplete dipping. Poor rinse. A bit of dip in a Q-Tip applied locally would have been ideal. Reverse will turn, deeper to the right.

coinkat

They do look to be the same coin...

lkeigwin

Yes, it is the same coin. The question is, which is before and which is after? And what should its future be?
Lance.

ricko

Number two..... tarnish ruins a coin for me... Cheers, RickO

SDSportsFan

I definitely prefer #2.

#1 looks like it has the chicken pox and then someone threw up all over it

Steve

coinkat

Sell #2 if it does not work or if you don't like it and buy another

lkeigwin

Here's the story on this Morgan.

The 2nd set of pix is the original coin in a PCGS MS65 holder. Graded sometime before June '01 when I bought it.

The first set of images are very recent. I cracked the coin 30 months ago and set it on a window sill in a bathroom, turning it every couple of weeks. I was curious what would happen...how it would tone.

At this point I don't think more time on the sill will improve things. Question is, do I leave it as it is and get it graded (could be anywhere from 64-66, even a BB), stick it in an airtite, or dip it back to its original state (and regrade or not).

I'm leaning toward the simple, cheap thing. My dad was born in 1904 so there's a little sentimental value.
Lance.

CoinZip

I like the non-dipped look....

jcping

I can live with either. I prefer the first one because I can dip it if I want

TwoSides2aCoin

I'd put it under a kid's pillow next….and tell him it's from a tooth fairy.

WildIdea

Maybe turning it every couple weeks is what gave it the mottled toning. It might have disrupted the natural process each time it was handled. Or the different conditions of a bathroom each day vs a steady release of sulfur from paper or cardboard? Just a random thought.

Bochiman

Personally, I like the "pre-toned" version better, just because the toning, as it shows, doesn't do anything for me.
It does appear to hide many of the marks, unless one looks really really closely. So, if a grader didn't look super close, the toned version, if graded, may be a higher grade.

I believe, from seeing SAEs tone in a similar pattern at times, that the splotchiness is from the air and air particles. If it had been somewhat covered (where the air could still circulate on/around it, but it had something giving it cover, then likely less splotchy toning. Jmho...

coinkat

I would leave it as is and put it in an air tite.

I doubt that a dip will produce a result that will be satisfying

Wabbit2313

Not to self, scratch the bathroom window idea for toning coins! That thing is ugly!

ricko

Dip it... the bathroom explanation lends credence to the brown splotchy tarnish - or residue - yuck... Cheers, RickO

lkeigwin

Here's how the Peace dollar turned out. Same conditions, sitting side-by-side one another.
Lance.

Wabbit2313

Lance, you should try the egg theory next. Some old codger was telling me that is the way to do it. Hard boiled eggs in a jar or container if memory serves. It apparently does not take years to work either. I wouldn't know one way or another.

Connecticoin

In this instance, I prefer the post-dip coin and it likely would grade MS64, maybe MS64+

Mercury

I like the look of the toned Morgan dollar.
I love the look of the toned Peace Dollar.
That is the "look" I like to collect.
The toned coin looks like it has a history and can tell a story whereas the dipped coin looks like is was hidden away, un-loved and un-touched waiting to see the light of day.