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1930 Standing Liberty Quarter - Grade Opinions (CAC Update)

KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
Recent purchase, how do you think it would grade?

Sellers images.
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Received the coin today.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks pretty nice.

    Can't tell if it's a slider or not, based on the pix?

    This is one of those that I'd guess AU58 on, to be conservative, but wouldn't be surprised to see it as high as MS63.

    I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say MS63.

    Not sure about a Full Head designation. Looks mostly complete, but kind of flat on the high points, too? SLQ collectors will have a better idea of that.

    Nice coin, regardless.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    sweet example that i could see in a 66 holder
    frost on top of luster with sweet toning for a slq

    huge congrats and thanks for sharing it's beauty
    update us when she grades please
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks pretty nice.

    Can't tell if it's a slider or not, based on the pix?

    This is one of those that I'd guess AU58 on, to be conservative, but wouldn't be surprised to see it as high as MS63.

    I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say MS63.

    Not sure about a Full Head designation. Looks mostly complete, but kind of flat on the high points, too? SLQ collectors will have a better idea of that.

    Nice coin, regardless. >>

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    I think there is some wear on the hair from the photo, but in hand who knows?
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think there is some wear on the hair from the photo, but in hand who knows? >>

    That could just be the strike.



    << <i>sweet example that i could see in a 66 holder >>



    LVT went a lot higher in his grade guess. I wouldn't go that high, but maybe my MS63 guess is too low. Hmm.

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>sweet example that i could see in a 66 holder
    frost on top of luster with sweet toning for a slq

    huge congrats and thanks for sharing it's beauty
    update us when she grades please >>



    66 is a big grade to assign to this coin, especially since you've seen it only in photos. The surfaces appear to be virtually free of abrasions, however the luster doesn't look quite there for a "gem" coin, IMO.

    All of this said granted the pics represent the coin accurately.
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS64..... Cheers, RickO
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,537 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63, shot 64 if the luster is brighter in hand.

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  • BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭
    I find it very hard to grade pictures but

    When I see a clean and fully struck up kneecap I start thinking 64 up
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    i'm always seeing a trend in lofty grades of frost sitting on top of luster
    to me this image is capturing that "frost"

    i've been more wrong then right but to me this should sit in a min 65 holder

    fullhead...not a chance...not as important when it comes to finding an example with color

    myself i'd be a lil taken back in anything less then 65 as her central area of focus is an amazing eye captivating gorgeous leg there...graders can't miss this

    coin to me has satin luster..not the usual orange peel...cooler die?...slower speed of strike?

    great coin as stated and i hope ya update us
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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64, no FH.

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  • BodinBodin Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭
    65
  • deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    64, maybe 65 ?
  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had this one on my watch too, I think you bought it well. Seller could not answer a simple question I had asked several days earlier so I elected not to bid.

    That leg looks nice and clean and is well struck, fields are clean too, but I was also concerned about it being a slider due to the luster break in the mail over the boob. May just be the photo angle though.

    Would like to see photos posted when you get it.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    If it can survive cleaned (aka no grade) contest, then my guess is MS64.
    From photo, this coin has been dipped many years ago and starts to be re-toned. Without examining it in hand about how much luster remaining and how much hairlines on its surface, it is very hard to grade based on photo image
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>frost on top of luster with sweet toning for a slq >>


    Frost? Looks more like a grainy photo to my eyes.
  • Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
    63 definitely not FH.

    Weak shield keeps me from going higher along with what appears to be streaking across the obverse.
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 to 65....all dependent on how bold/unmessed with the luster is.

    I'd guess 64.
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the opinions so far, I will update the thread with new pictures when the coin arrives.
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm hoping this coin arrives this week sometime.

    Thought I would bump the thread, before I get the coin in hand.
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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Understanding that it's not FH, there's nothing I see that keeps it from MS 65. It's all about luster at this point.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Really no luster can be seen. I am not really into these so I don't know if they come satiny with no luster? I would put it from cleaned AU to MS 63 not full head.
  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭
    I agree with everyone else in that the pictures are not helping to accurately grade this.

    With that caveat, 1930 being a last year of issue was saved more than almost all other dates, except for the 1917's. 1930 and 1917 always seem to be the most plentiful dates up for sale. The mintage figures were not huge but also not scarce. For these reasons, I think a lot of high grade 1930's are out there.

    It is clearly not a Full Head. There is not enough definition of the leaves or hairline.

    There is no wear on this coin. It is UNC. The first wear points on the obverse are on the knee and the right chain mail breast. Sometimes the chain mail is seen not fully struck and can be more difficult to discern from initial wear and friction, but I don't see that on this coin.

    Back to the pictures. It's really difficult to grade from these, but if it's not cleaned, I don't see a reason why this couldn't hit gem status, 5 or 6. It's not like it's a 1919-S, and gem 1930's are not at all uncommon.

    It does have the look that it could have been dipped and is retoning. Could be the photos. I look forward to seeing better pics when you get the coin.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64

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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    To me (from the photos) the coin looks dull, dipped retoned. I would limit grade opinions to 62 without being able to examine for signs of wear, which I suspect might be there. This is a common coin that comes brilliant and struck up so for it to be this "flat" looking leads me to believe it might have sub-toning rub.
  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


    << <i>64, no FH. >>



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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with FTB. Gotta have luster to get 65 and up. I will be in the 64 camp myself. If the luster is there, I go 65!
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I like the coin - it's as well struck as I have seen in a non-FH holder.
    The shield inner shield has all the verticals, but no horizontals. Still,
    I would say you did well for buying a raw coin.

    It's a touch nicer than a 63 - and not as nice as 64 - so, my friend
    my call is 63+

    Hope I am wrong and you get a 64 out of the grading room !
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ms 64, ms 63 at worst. jmo
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Can't see enough luster. Dipped and re toned so that my guess is MS63.
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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had a feeling it would not have that dark olive tone in person. Nice coin, 63/64, and you got it for a good price. How's the luster? (looks like plenty based on new photos) But still kind of hard to judge as they are a bit overexposed but otherwise good to see contact marks/chatter.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for all of the grade opinions on the new set of images. Here are a couple more pictures, just to try and show off the underlying luster a little better.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, tough crowd. That coin looks like it would have booming luster in hand, and I see no marks that would preclude a Gem grade. Appears to have original skin to boot.

    I say 65 no FH, shot - 66
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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say 64 maybe 63 most 1930 SLQ's that I have viewed have blazing luster, yours looks like it's been dipped and has some dip residue/toning imo. Here is my MS65 to compair, pics by Mark Goodman
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe many do not know what a modern 66 with luster looks like? They have to look a lot better than they did in the old holders, contrary to what so many believe. Don't forget that the fields have to be like glass!





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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Incredible SLQ Wabbit.

    Have any larger close up images?
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin and I suspect it is more attractive in hand. Having said that, I still am unable to grade the image higher than 64.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    after just looking at Larry Shapiro's latest offerings on ebay...image
    yeah i'm in the ms64 crowd
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Came back MS-64.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Came back MS-64. >>



    Congrats!

    I would have guessed very possible ms65 and a no-brainer ms64.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    what am i missing here?
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    beer imageimage

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    I would have said 65 but the rust down grades to a 63+ maybe.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was going to say AU58 or MS62 there are so many of these sliders being posted here that it is really hard to tell from an image.

    Nice coin.
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