Mac stickers and price guide?

dlmtorts

I just saw these recently on eBay. I'm not familiar with this sticker. Anyone care to educate me? These are on eBay by seller "trading collectibles".

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=231585283405

lordmarcovan

Linked.

I have no idea what that sticker is.

It could've at least had a cupcake unicorn on it, at a bare minimum. Sheesh.

lordmarcovan

Hey, look! It's Alan Hager!

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

Bochiman

<< <i>I just saw these recently on eBay. I'm not familiar with this sticker. Anyone care to educate me? These are on eBay by seller "trading collectibles".

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=231585283405 >>



Go search for acg....that should educate you.
I am staying away from these things....not worth it, imho

dlmtorts

There is a new member here that goes by macge1. I wonder if he is MACge stickers.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>There is a new member here that goes by macge1. I wonder if he is MACge stickers. >>

I'd say there's a good chance.

TopographicOceans

<< <i>There is a new member here that goes by macge1. I wonder if he is MACge stickers. >>

Yes, he joined a few months ago after a thread was started about them.

howards

Here's the company

Yes, the founder is mentioned above on the About page (our people).

MACGE1

<< <i>There is a new member here that goes by macge1. I wonder if he is MACge stickers. >>



Yes, I am the president of MAC-GE.

CuKevin

I read the previous thread and then decided to peruse the website linked above.

The stated company's level of numismatic knowledge is abysmal.

CuKevin

<< <i>I read the previous thread and then decided to peruse the website linked above.

The stated company's level of numismatic knowledge is abysmal. >>



Including basic history within numismatics.

MACGE1

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<< <i>I read the previous thread and then decided to peruse the website linked above.

The stated company's level of numismatic knowledge is abysmal. >>



Including basic history within numismatics. >>



Interesting, especially considering the combined 1200 pages written on numismatics by our members. I wonder how much you've written....

wondercoin

MacGE1 - Actually, CuKevin is a brilliant young man (about your age as well I suspect) who has written some amazing works in his field of study already. Below is a list of the works as far as I know of them.

And, I suspect it is not all that important what Kevin has written (numismatic related) as compared to addressing Kevin's concern(s).

Wondercoin


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CuKevin

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<< <i>I read the previous thread and then decided to peruse the website linked above.

The stated company's level of numismatic knowledge is abysmal. >>



Including basic history within numismatics. >>



Interesting, especially considering the combined 1200 pages written on numismatics by our members. I wonder how much you've written.... >>



I am not the only member here who pointed out the flaws on your website. Many were pointed out by people who are considered world renowned numismatists.

CuKevin

<< <i>MacGE1 - Actually, CuKevin is a brilliant young man (about your age as well I suspect) who has written some amazing works in his field of study already. Below is a list of the works as far as I know of them.

And, I suspect it is not all that important what Kevin has written (numismatic related) as compared to addressing Kevin's concern(s).

Wondercoin >>



Thank you WonderCoin for backing up my credibility and research/writing capabilities.

leothelyon

<< <i>Linked.

I have no idea what that sticker is.

It could've at least had a cupcake unicorn on it, at a bare minimum. Sheesh. >>



Viewing a few of the coins in that first link, I'm able to "mouse over to zoom" on the pics that feature the entire slab but for the larger shots of the coins themselves, there's not a zoom option with the mouse. Some can be clicked on for a slightly larger picture but not nearly enough to view the coins up close. Or, there are no options whatsoever. I believe the pictures themselves need to be of certain quality size before the zoom will work right. With the capabilities camera's are....well, capable of these days, such pictures are useless to a true collector who needs to see all of the details up close before deciding whether a coin is worth 5 cents or $50 or $500. Have the photos been downsized? Are they scans? Is the "mouse over to zoom" feature by default for every picture? Are there options for the pictures? I tried 4-5 coins with no luck and moved on. And sending a request to the seller for larger pics of a coin, well.....that gets old fast? It's just common knowledge when a coin has been graded a high MS65 or 66 or 67, large pics are always necessary to show off the coin. Absolutely!

astrorat

A couple of months ago I was giving a presentation on certified coins at a Dallas area coin club meeting and one of the members alerted me to the "MAC" stickers. He was quite angered that "some sellers" (as he put it) on eBay are charging outrageous amounts for non-FBL Franklins because they had a "90FBL" sticker on them. I repeated the mantra of "buy the coin and not the sticker" and reiterated that a seller can ask anything they want for a coin. He was not to be pacified (I think he really wanted one of the coins for less than 90% of the FBL price!).

It will be interesting to see if these stickers, that indicate the coin is "almost there," catch on with collectors.

giorgio11

<< <i>Linked.

I have no idea what that sticker is.

It could've at least had a cupcake unicorn on it, at a bare minimum. Sheesh. >>



It would "make a GReat aNythiNG foR eveRythiNG!"

Best Regards,

George

astrorat

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<< <i>I read the previous thread and then decided to peruse the website linked above.

The stated company's level of numismatic knowledge is abysmal. >>



Including basic history within numismatics. >>



Interesting, especially considering the combined 1200 pages written on numismatics by our members. I wonder how much you've written.... >>

No offense, but quantity does not necessarily equal quality. Reading the bios on your webpage does not engender confidence that a great deal of numismatic knowledge and experience exists within your four walls, other than that of Alan Hagar's. Irrespective of his reputation (good or bad), Mr. Hagar does have many years of experience and he has written a lot.

MACGE1

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<< <i>MacGE1 - Actually, CuKevin is a brilliant young man (about your age as well I suspect) who has written some amazing works in his field of study already. Below is a list of the works as far as I know of them.

And, I suspect it is not all that important what Kevin has written (numismatic related) as compared to addressing Kevin's concern(s).

Wondercoin >>



Thank you WonderCoin for backing up my credibility and research/writing capabilities. >>



If that's the case then I apologize. I just think that saying that we don't have any numismatic knowledge, considering I've done this all my life is a bit insulting.

wondercoin

Astronaut... I believe certain "grade enhancements" might resonate with collectors much more than others. For example, the "four full steps" designation - there are Jeffs where gem 5 steppers are virtually non-existent (e.g. 68-d, 69-d). In comparing FBL, one thing I see is that series truly only has one "show stopper" in FBL (the 53-S). It would not greatly surprise me if the grade enhancement for Jeffs was even more popular than Franklins as a result. Another series where the 90% designation might become popular is SLQs- I know some collectors have been collecting them that way for years (not wanting to pay the huge jumps in price for FH designated coins).

Regarding full step Memorial cents, I suggested that designation myself to PCGS a decade and a half ago, but got nowhere. One issue there is the full steps only apply to a small percentage of the entire series, so collectors might not be as excited about pursuing them. Finally, I proposed a "monster deep cameo" designation to PCGS close to ten years ago (I even showcased the differences in the depth of many cameos out on my table at the Long Beach show the one time I set up there sharing a table with Rick Kay). I even discussed the great possibilities of certain mega deep cameos in my interview for the June, 2015 edition of "Coinage" magazine (which did a story on 50 years of clad coins you can read by going to my homepage and clicking on the Coinage magazine link).

My point here ... Some of the designations (enhancements) may well turn out to be popular with collectors as they get introduced into the marketplace. One thing I suspect collectors will be focusing on is just how strictly the coins are being graded for the specific enhancement sticker.

As always, just my two cents. Wondercoin.

BillJones

Since I rarely collect modern coins in slabs, and have never paid more than $20 for one, this is one grade certification sticker I can happily ignore.

DIMEMAN

They have a table at the large shows.......just another joke sticker company.

derryb

Before one can make a name for his stickers, he must first make a name for himself.

lordmarcovan

MACGE1: my "cupcake unicorn" kidding aside, I bear you no ill will. Takes some guts to stand up to a crowd you knew would be hostile from the get-go.

I think the whole sticker thing is ridiculous, but to be honest, I've never cared that much about what the market-accepted stickering company has to say, either.

Not that I question their knowledge. It's just that the original TPG opinion (and more importantly, my own), are good enough for me, and I don't want a bunch of stickers on my slabs. I have one coin with you-know-who's green sticker on it. I thought about peeling it off but didn't.

Who's to say how the market will evolve. Ten years ago, if you had described this slab-stickering phenomenon to me, I wouldn't have believed it, but here we are.

Good luck to you. I think you're gonna need it, but I do sincerely mean it when I wish you luck.

originalisbest

Hmmm.

Broadstruck

<< <i>If that's the case then I apologize. I just think that saying that we don't have any numismatic knowledge, considering I've done this all my life is a bit insulting. >>



Reading your "About" page starts right off with a major error which tosses all numismatic knowledge credibility right out the window.

asheland

<< <i>Before one can make a name for his stickers, he must first make a name for himself. >>

amwldcoin

I would view a 4 step Jefferson Nickel designation the most beneficial and least subjective as they are either there or they are not!

streeter

I actually enjoyed Wondercoin stepping in and answering that guys inquiry/put down of CUKEVIN.

He's over at the Funk and Wagnal desk as we speak looking up words to figure out what CUKEVIN
is writing about.

wondercoin

Streeter: Thank you, but since Macge1 has only (30) posts over here to date (let's say compared to my embarrassing 16,195), my intention was only to remind Macge1 that the goal here is to try to educate each other. And, it took a big man to immediately apologize for the comment

Now, as for what CUKevin is writing about - I haven't a clue! Luckily, I just finished paying for (5) years of college for my son Justin (graduating this weekend with a Chemistry degree from UCLA). He can tell me what Kevin is writing about!




Wondercoin

MACGE1

<< <i>MACGE1: my "cupcake unicorn" kidding aside, I bear you no ill will. Takes some guts to stand up to a crowd you knew would be hostile from the get-go.

I think the whole sticker thing is ridiculous, but to be honest, I've never cared that much about what the market-accepted stickering company has to say, either.

Not that I question their knowledge. It's just that the original TPG opinion (and more importantly, my own), are good enough for me, and I don't want a bunch of stickers on my slabs. I have one coin with you-know-who's green sticker on it. I thought about peeling it off but didn't.

Who's to say how the market will evolve. Ten years ago, if you had described this slab-stickering phenomenon to me, I wouldn't have believed it, but here we are.

Good luck to you. I think you're gonna need it, but I do sincerely mean it when I wish you luck. >>



Thanks, I appreciate the support. Irrespective of whether someone agrees with what I'm trying to, I think that we all need to remember what brings us together in the first place, which is our love of coins. It makes no difference whether it's moderns or traditional coins, there's certainly no need to bash each other, and I apologize for my response in the heat of the moment.

MACGE1

Getting back to the topic of this thread regarding the prices of MAC coins, here are a couple of record prices paid:


1996-w dime NGC ms-68

MACGE1

1973-s Ike PCGS PR69 cam

CuKevin

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<< <i>MacGE1 - Actually, CuKevin is a brilliant young man (about your age as well I suspect) who has written some amazing works in his field of study already. Below is a list of the works as far as I know of them.

And, I suspect it is not all that important what Kevin has written (numismatic related) as compared to addressing Kevin's concern(s).

Wondercoin >>



Thank you WonderCoin for backing up my credibility and research/writing capabilities. >>



If that's the case then I apologize. I just think that saying that we don't have any numismatic knowledge, considering I've done this all my life is a bit insulting. >>



I also apologize if my comment came off as suggesting that you had no numismatic knowledge. My intent was not to insult you, but I do suggest you thoroughly go through your website. As a few others have pointed out, there are some errors which really do need corrected.

ElmerFusterpuck

"Getting back to the topic of this thread regarding the prices of MAC coins, here are a couple of record prices paid:

1996-w dime NGC ms-68
1973-s Ike PCGS PR69 cam"

Wow, don't really see any major shakes going on there after looking at price guides; nothing that would convince me to even use this service. And putting a "UHCam" on something already labeled DCAM by PCGS is a bit redundant.

We'll see if an actual two-way market develops for MAC coins, like it exists for CAC.

david3142

As a collector of DMPL Morgans, I would love for there to be an accepted UDM designation (I know ANACS has it, but the big 2 do not). These coins bring WAY over greysheet anyway so I don't think it will hinder my ability to buy them, but if I ever to choose to sell the few that I have (that IMHO should qualify), it would be nice if they had better liquidity.

I agree about the 4FS nickels - it would be a useful tool for the hobby because the price splits are so huge for some dates. However, we really don't need all these different designations for coins. The shipped sailed long ago, but a simple "Full Strike" designation could be (or have been) easily applied to all coins. Separate details could then be published for each specific series.

MACGE1

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<< <i>MacGE1 - Actually, CuKevin is a brilliant young man (about your age as well I suspect) who has written some amazing works in his field of study already. Below is a list of the works as far as I know of them.

And, I suspect it is not all that important what Kevin has written (numismatic related) as compared to addressing Kevin's concern(s).

Wondercoin >>



Thank you WonderCoin for backing up my credibility and research/writing capabilities. >>



If that's the case then I apologize. I just think that saying that we don't have any numismatic knowledge, considering I've done this all my life is a bit insulting. >>



I also apologize if my comment came off as suggesting that you had no numismatic knowledge. My intent was not to insult you, but I do suggest you thoroughly go through your website. As a few others have pointed out, there are some errors which really do need corrected. >>




I always welcome constructive criticism, and I will certainly make sure that we give the website a good going over.

Mark

MacGE1:

Given that you claim a great deal of knowledge about numismatics (you've been doing it all your life) why does your web page still credit Marshall (sic) Sheldon 4 months after DaveWcoins pointed out your error? If you want constructive criticism, here is some: Fix errors that have been pointed out to you.

Klif50

I met Mr. Hager at the most recent ANA show in Atlanta where he had a table. It was my first meeting in person and he was very cordial and seemed very knowledgeable and he showed me the books he had written on collectible cars and on collecting cards and his various books on coins and fine art.

As an aside I also got to meet Mr. Cline and when I bantered with him about trying to cherry pick his standing liberty quarters he put on that hat he is famous for and dared me to go ahead. I didn't do that but did come away with his autograph on a grey sheet article he had written about the various quarters that make up the series. It was hard to talk him out of it since he had so few copies left but I count myself lucky that I got to meet him since he died not too long after that.

Justacommeman

<< <i>MacGE1:

Given that you claim a great deal of knowledge about numismatics (you've been doing it all your life) why does your web page still credit Marshall (sic) Sheldon 4 months after DaveWcoins pointed out your error? If you want constructive criticism, here is some: Fix errors that have been pointed out to you. >>



I saw The Marshall Sheldon Band on tour back in 79. They rocked

mark

GRANDAM

So, in reading the bio on the MAC Website it states that "In 1985 revolutionary changes came to the coin industry with the invention of coin slabbing, the process of encapsulating a graded coin in a plastic holder with an ID window. It was invented by Alan Hager."

Can anyone confirm this?

I wasn't aware that ACCU-GRADE was the 1st slab out there?

When did the original small ANACS Slabs come along?

I know PCGS started in 1986.

Does ACCU-GRADE still slab and grade coins in their own holders? (ACCU-GRADE Holders)

Just trying to keep up to date on things.

GrandAm

lordmarcovan

<< <i>So, in reading the bio on the MAC Website it states that "In 1985 revolutionary changes came to the coin industry with the invention of coin slabbing, the process of encapsulating a graded coin in a plastic holder with an ID window. It was invented by Alan Hager."

Can anyone confirm this?

I wasn't aware that ACCU-GRADE was the 1st slab out there?

When did the original small ANACS Slabs come along?

I know PCGS started in 1986.

Does ACCU-GRADE still slab and grade coins in their own holders? (ACCU-GRADE Holders)

Just trying to keep up to date on things.

GrandAm >>



I don't think Accugrade existed then, but if I remember correctly, Hager was indeed a collaborator (at the very least) on one of the early slab capsules. Someone will correct me if I have this wrong.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>So, in reading the bio on the MAC Website it states that "In 1985 revolutionary changes came to the coin industry with the invention of coin slabbing, the process of encapsulating a graded coin in a plastic holder with an ID window. It was invented by Alan Hager."

Can anyone confirm this?

I wasn't aware that ACCU-GRADE was the 1st slab out there?

When did the original small ANACS Slabs come along?

I know PCGS started in 1986.

Does ACCU-GRADE still slab and grade coins in their own holders? (ACCU-GRADE Holders)

Just trying to keep up to date on things.

GrandAm >>



...I'm not sure but I had an Accugrade slabbed Morgan (common date) in ms65...the insert label said "since 1984."...I put her up for auction on eBay (.99 start no reserve) a couple months back...sold for $39 with free shipping...live and learn I suppose

leothelyon

<< <i>I would view a 4 step Jefferson Nickel designation the most beneficial and least subjective as they are either there or they are not! >>




Exactly! But let me try to put this in the simplest languish so all can understand.

Everyone has coins but few have exceptional coins. And one needs excellent photography skills for showing why a coin is exceptional. This is the number one selling tool, good photography. The second is great customer relations when your client believes what you say because he has come to know and trust you.
This also identifies the true collector of quality coins. And that collector will not be fooled by any stickers or pluses or stars because it's a necessity that he sees the coin in hand. Great photography puts that coin in the customer's hand.
Dingy, out of focus, far away shots of coins, any photography that does not allow the customer to analyze the coin for its perfections, that seller is a bottom feeder of the public.
A seller must be upfront with what he's selling to the best of his abilities with the tools at his disposal.



Leo

cmerlo1

This is good thread for a +1, so here it is.