I'm not sure bust quarter collectors want to be dragged into this. For the most part, we consider ourselves crazy, and so we don't begrudge other collectors their craziness
Perhaps these National Park quarter collectors will become interested in bust quarters as well. Though, they will have to make concessions as to grade...
I really enjoy Wondercoin posts, and I'm glad there continue to be collectible new issues from the mint.
If the mint weren't pumping out quarters like an ant queen pumping out carpenter ant workers, then I'd never be able to afford to collect rare extinct giant primordial tarantula fossils.
edit: some of the new ones do have nice shiny mark-free carapace though, along with beautiful sparkling display case and information placard, so you got to give them that
<< <i>Yes, I think there are a lot more collectors interested in real collector coins coined in small amounts 125 years ago......than modern junk made by the billions yesterday! >>
You do realize that you do do this quite a bit. Frequently with no provocation and clear indication the subject of a thread is a modern coin. I could trash an 1890-s dime very easily and the only reason I don't is that I believe all coins are collectible and this even applies to coins with a tiny demand like varieties and moderns.
Coins are compared to each other and not to what we believe is desirable. If you want to do modern bashing then don't be surprised to get called on it from time to time. You don't see WonderCoin trashing what you like.
Please read the context of my posts today in Dimeman's thread to get the full flavor of my amusing comments...
like trying to explain to Dimeman that there is a BIG difference between MS65 and MS68 in a classic coin in reply to his comment (applying to both moderns and classics): "there is not that much difference between a 65 and a 68"
Wondercoin
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cladking - evidently you didn't read the thread in order! Wondercoin challenged the need for my post,,,,,which was immediately answered by collectors who do care.
I merely stated my opinion which I think is the opinion of many who don't care to get into it.
To each, his own. Anything in life would be a nightmare if all of us liked and went after the same thing. Variety is the spice of life. In fact, the fewer people that like what I like, the better. I don't consider coin collecting a money making venture or investment. It's just fun. Let's have some.
A non-board member in reading this had this to say to me today (and asked me to post it) ....
"I am both a dealer in modern and traditionals and have been at for more than 50 years. Now, take an 1840 No Drapery Dime with a mintage of 981,500 and in MS60 it sells for about $400, MS65 $3,150 and $14,500 for an MS67 (pop 2). Now, let's discuss the 2015-S Homestead National Park quarter. The mintage is about 972,000 (same as this 1840 dime). The population of the US in 1840 was about 25,000,000 and now it is about 335,000,000 (about 12x greater). Thus far, there have been -0- Homestead 'S mint" quarters achieving the MS68 grade. If one was made, it would sell for at least $2,000 - $2,500 and would be worth nearly 2/3 the price of the gem 1840 dime, in not 175 years but about a dozen weeks. I have a handful of customers that would buy the MS68 National Park quarter from me in a heartbeat. No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)."
Wondercoin
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As for this Internet argument, I shall stay out of it, other than to say it's virtually impossible that hashing it out here will resolve anything or prove anyone correct......
As for the classic/modern debate, it seems to me that many of the rarities we acknowledge today were unrecognized in their time. Nobody ever imagined the 34-S Peace dollar would be scarce in BU. They saw them commonly in circulation and only after it was too late was the true scarcity understood. Much less than 100 years ago people spent them, fresh from the bank, for $1. Imagine that!!! Other "thought-to-be-rare" issues have become commonplace as collections or hoards have been discovered.
Some future rarities are sitting in the till of the local Walmart cashier right now.......
The person who really delves into the modern market and studies it understands something that is not paralleled in the Classic US coin arena.
While the threads that triggered this one offered some mild amusement to pass the day, they offer little to this place beyond that. At the end of the day we are all free to collect what we each so desire. Perhaps the boards should be parsed out so the modernists can hang in the modern board and the classic guys in the classics board. Should probably start thinking colors to associate with each group to be worn at shows, and around shops so as to distinguish/associate yourself with the right group.
Unless it is something I collect it is just plain rubbish
<< <i>While the threads that triggered this one offered some mild amusement to pass the day, they offer little to this place beyond that. At the end of the day we are all free to collect what we each so desire. Perhaps the boards should be parsed out so the modernists can hang in the modern board and the classic guys in the classics board. Should probably start thinking colors to associate with each group to be worn at shows, and around shops so as to distinguish/associate yourself with the right group.
Unless it is something I collect it is just plain rubbish >>
Why that would be racist ! ! !
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>....No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)." >>
Give me a holler on a gem 1840 PCGS MS65. I "only" ask that it be very solid for the grade, with natural toning, good eye appeal, well struck, no rub anywhere, no marks of concern, and full mint luster (including the rims). In short, what a true gem MS65 should be.
"There is more that unites than divides the two of you. Your love of numismatics shines through in your enthusiasm. The rest, (classics vs moderns) is pure vanity."
Pat: Thank you for putting it in perspective. And, let me say that I had a very enjoyable (was it not Dimeman?) dinner with Dimeman at the FUN Show a couple years ago. My simple desire is to see lovers of classic coins and lovers of modern coins coexisting here without the need to "bash" the other guys' collecting interests. If we can agree on that, I have nothing more to say on the subject.
Wondercoin
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<< <i>My simple desire is to see lovers of classic coins and lovers of modern coins coexisting here without the need to "bash" the other guys' collecting interests. >>
Dimeman loves to bash moderns, sadly, I dont see that stopping. You are fighting an uphill battle. Good luck
if I got bent at all the regulars' personal opinions, I'd have to leave.
anyway, what is a modern thread or a carr thread without dimeman saying "modern crap" or "criminal"? If you weren't in there, I'd start wondering if you fell ill or something.
While it's true I don't care for modern coinage.....the main argument here was about moon money for top pops. Modern or classic I can't see paying moon money for a grade where the next grade down is dirt cheap.
And yes, I had an enjoyable dinner with WC and several others at FUN a couple of years ago.
We are on opposite sides of this issue and neither of us is going to change our mind.
While it's true I don't care for modern coinage.....the main argument here was about moon money for top pops. Modern or classic I can't see paying moon money for a grade where the next grade down is dirt cheap.
And yes, I had an enjoyable dinner with WC and several others at FUN a couple of years ago.
We are on opposite sides of this issue and neither of us is going to change our mind.
<< <i>Dime man. Different sides of the issue or not, can we at least agree that the modern bashing should be toned down a notch or two? . Wondercoin >>
"Toned Down"??
How about just knocking it off completely? Modern Collectors really hate to wade around his disparaging posts which have nothing to do with the subject matter other than to just bash modern coins and modern coin collectors.
An excellent example is in starting a new thread "criticizing" a moderns collector as if folks are going to rally around him anyway.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
He sounds a little rude but it sounds like he was giving you a dose of your own medicine for some of the past comments you made concerning some of his coins.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>>>>At best we are all nuts! Let us not forget this fact.<<<
This +1
To non collectors we are all crazy!
Let's drop it and get ready for game 2 tonite. >>
I'll bet you the Cav's win game 2 in OT...........Stakes?
Mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>>>>I'll bet you the Cav's win game 2 in OT...........Stakes?<<<
WOW....I meant game 3. >>
Couldn't resist the low hanging fruit
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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I recall years back Wondercoin even bought a pop 1 1875-s MS67 seated dime from me.
Perhaps these National Park quarter collectors will become interested in bust quarters as well. Though, they will have to make concessions as to grade...
I really enjoy Wondercoin posts, and I'm glad there continue to be collectible new issues from the mint.
Matt (scubafuel)
edit: some of the new ones do have nice shiny mark-free carapace though, along with beautiful sparkling display case and information placard, so you got to give them that
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>Yes, I think there are a lot more collectors interested in real collector coins coined in small amounts 125 years ago......than modern junk made by the billions yesterday! >>
You do realize that you do do this quite a bit. Frequently with no provocation and clear
indication the subject of a thread is a modern coin. I could trash an 1890-s dime very
easily and the only reason I don't is that I believe all coins are collectible and this even
applies to coins with a tiny demand like varieties and moderns.
Coins are compared to each other and not to what we believe is desirable. If you want to
do modern bashing then don't be surprised to get called on it from time to time. You don't
see WonderCoin trashing what you like.
like trying to explain to Dimeman that there is a BIG difference between MS65 and MS68 in a classic coin in reply to his comment (applying to both moderns and classics): "there is not that much difference between a 65 and a 68"
Wondercoin
Latin American Collection
I merely stated my opinion which I think is the opinion of many who don't care to get into it.
<< <i>I merely stated my opinion which I think is the opinion of many who don't care to get into it. >>
I think perhaps more folks should follow their lead and not get into it...
Oh and perhaps the thread title should be changed to: "Hey, I want some help winning an argument on the Internet"
<< <i>
<< <i>I merely stated my opinion which I think is the opinion of many who don't care to get into it. >>
I think perhaps more folks should follow their lead and not get into it...
Oh and perhaps the thread title should be changed to: "Hey, I want some help winning an argument on the Internet" >>
LOL, quite so. Speaking of opinions, in my book, that of wondercoin's carries a fair amount of weight. MOO, of course.
"I am both a dealer in modern and traditionals and have been at for more than 50 years. Now, take an 1840 No Drapery Dime with a mintage of 981,500 and in MS60 it sells for about $400, MS65 $3,150 and $14,500 for an MS67 (pop 2). Now, let's discuss the 2015-S Homestead National Park quarter. The mintage is about 972,000 (same as this 1840 dime). The population of the US in 1840 was about 25,000,000 and now it is about 335,000,000 (about 12x greater). Thus far, there have been -0- Homestead 'S mint" quarters achieving the MS68 grade. If one was made, it would sell for at least $2,000 - $2,500 and would be worth nearly 2/3 the price of the gem 1840 dime, in not 175 years but about a dozen weeks. I have a handful of customers that would buy the MS68 National Park quarter from me in a heartbeat. No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)."
Wondercoin
As for the classic/modern debate, it seems to me that many of the rarities we acknowledge today were unrecognized in their time. Nobody ever imagined the 34-S Peace dollar would be scarce in BU. They saw them commonly in circulation and only after it was too late was the true scarcity understood. Much less than 100 years ago people spent them, fresh from the bank, for $1. Imagine that!!! Other "thought-to-be-rare" issues have become commonplace as collections or hoards have been discovered.
Some future rarities are sitting in the till of the local Walmart cashier right now.......
The person who really delves into the modern market and studies it understands something that is not paralleled in the Classic US coin arena.
Unless it is something I collect it is just plain rubbish
Your love of numismatics shines through in your enthusiasm.
The rest, (classics vs moderns) is pure vanity.
peacockcoins
<< <i>While the threads that triggered this one offered some mild amusement to pass the day, they offer little to this place beyond that. At the end of the day we are all free to collect what we each so desire. Perhaps the boards should be parsed out so the modernists can hang in the modern board and the classic guys in the classics board. Should probably start thinking colors to associate with each group to be worn at shows, and around shops so as to distinguish/associate yourself with the right group.
Unless it is something I collect it is just plain rubbish
Why that would be racist ! ! !
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>....No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)." >>
Give me a holler on a gem 1840 PCGS MS65. I "only" ask that it be very solid for the grade, with natural toning, good eye appeal, well struck, no rub anywhere, no marks of concern, and full mint luster (including the rims). In short, what a true gem MS65 should be.
Your love of numismatics shines through in your enthusiasm.
The rest, (classics vs moderns) is pure vanity."
Pat: Thank you for putting it in perspective. And, let me say that I had a very enjoyable (was it not Dimeman?) dinner with Dimeman at the FUN Show a couple years ago. My simple desire is to see lovers of classic coins and lovers of modern coins coexisting here without the need to "bash" the other guys' collecting interests. If we can agree on that, I have nothing more to say on the subject.
Wondercoin
<< <i>My simple desire is to see lovers of classic coins and lovers of modern coins coexisting here without the need to "bash" the other guys' collecting interests. >>
Dimeman loves to bash moderns, sadly, I dont see that stopping. You are fighting an uphill battle. Good luck
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you can have yours
if I got bent at all the regulars' personal opinions, I'd have to leave.
anyway, what is a modern thread or a carr thread without dimeman saying "modern crap" or "criminal"? If you weren't in there, I'd start wondering if you fell ill or something.
And yes, I had an enjoyable dinner with WC and several others at FUN a couple of years ago.
We are on opposite sides of this issue and neither of us is going to change our mind.
And yes, I had an enjoyable dinner with WC and several others at FUN a couple of years ago.
We are on opposite sides of this issue and neither of us is going to change our mind.
<< <i>Dimeman loves to bash moderns... >>
Sums it up nicely.
<< <i>Dime man. Different sides of the issue or not, can we at least agree that the modern bashing should be toned down a notch or two?
"Toned Down"??
How about just knocking it off completely? Modern Collectors really hate to wade around his disparaging posts which have nothing to do with the subject matter other than to just bash modern coins and modern coin collectors.
An excellent example is in starting a new thread "criticizing" a moderns collector as if folks are going to rally around him anyway.
The name is LEE!
You kids behave!
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At best we are all nuts! Let us not forget this fact.
That ought to get the fur flying!
Hay Ma fur's flying.
This +1
To non collectors we are all crazy!
Let's drop it and get ready for game 2 tonite.
<< <i>In my thread about an update to to my Dime Variety Set he made a very silly comparison.
Link >>
He sounds a little rude but it sounds like he was giving you a dose of your own medicine for some of the past comments you made concerning some of his coins.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>>>>At best we are all nuts! Let us not forget this fact.<<<
This +1
To non collectors we are all crazy!
Let's drop it and get ready for game 2 tonite.
I'll bet you the Cav's win game 2 in OT...........Stakes?
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>You kids behave! >>
Yup. Sounds like someone needs a nap.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
WOW....I meant game 3.
<< <i>>>>I'll bet you the Cav's win game 2 in OT...........Stakes?<<<
WOW....I meant game 3.
Couldn't resist the low hanging fruit
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Hey, no problem.....I'm used to this from the Sports Forum!