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Congratulations to American Pharoah~Triple Cown Winner!

Was an awesome race to watch, and to see him pull away down that final stretch where so many other former Derby/Preakness winning horses faded under the strain of the the pressure, the three races in 5 weeks and that additional distance, was truly breathtaking to see!


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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    He ran an amazing race. Bad step out of the gate .... he was still able to wire the field.
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  • I actually thought a 'ringer' would win this (like Frosted or Materialist) There was so much talk about qualify for such a race and 'ringers' sitting out the Preakness or any new horse perhaps. Now they can all shut their traps about unfairness and let this horse become a permanent 'sperm donor'
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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Do horses read message boards? image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do horses read message boards? image >>



    Well, Secretariat was Sportsman of the Year in 1973. image


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  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    Was fotunate to take my daughter who was born in 81 to see both Affirmed and Seattle Slew at horse farms in Lexington before they died, and was with her today when she saw a winner. She also had a chance to meet Baffert . Wonderful moment for a struggling sport
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Was fotunate to take my daughter who was born in 81 to see both Affirmed and Seattle Slew at horse farms in Lexington before they died, and was with her today when she saw a winner. She also had a chance to meet Baffert . Wonderful moment for a struggling sport >>



    Agreed. It was a great moment and an awesome event to see. I vaguely remember watching both Seattle Slew and Affirmed as a kid back in 1977/1978, and was beginning to think I'd never see another.


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  • NJ80sBBCNJ80sBBC Posts: 746 ✭✭✭✭
    Met my father at a restaurant down the road from Monmouth Racetrack to make sure I watched it with him. Such a great moment for this sport. We were going nuts, great experience to have with my dad. And a bonus that we hit the trifecta :-)
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  • NJ80sBBCNJ80sBBC Posts: 746 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Was fotunate to take my daughter who was born in 81 to see both Affirmed and Seattle Slew at horse farms in Lexington before they died, and was with her today when she saw a winner. She also had a chance to meet Baffert . Wonderful moment for a struggling sport >>



    Such a great story there
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  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do horses read message boards? image >>



    Quite a few horse's asses do
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    Had the 5,6,7 tri box...was actually hoping he came in second or third image


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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What an exciting race and a great day in American history!
  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    As I recall, Seattle Slew is on bottom and Affirmed on top. By time we saw them they were both long retired. Both lived into their late 20s . Both spent their retirement eating, sleeping and popping at $ 300,000 a pop, with no poppage guaranteed. They were both prolific. Secretariat was a bust at stud

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  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    ...and he has a rookie card image

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  • canjondcanjond Posts: 422 ✭✭✭
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    Finally saw one!
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Fastest Belmont Stakes Times

    Horse | Time | Year

    1. Secretariat | 2:24.00 | 1973

    2. Easy Goer | 2:26.00 | 1989

    3. A.P. Indy | 2:26.13 | 1992

    4. Risen Star | 2:26.40 | 1988

    5. Gallant Man | 2:26.60 | 1957

    6. American Pharoah | 2:26.65 | 2015

    T7. Point Given | 2:26.80 | 2001

    T7. Tabasco Cat | 2:26.80 | 1994

    T7. Affirmed | 2:26.80 | 1978

    10. Creme Fraiche | 2:27.00 |1985


    Secretariat was the greatest horse in our lifetime. A two second advantage over these other great horses shows unparalleled greatness. >>



    No question about it. His time in the Belmont is the world record for any track for a mile and a half, and he also holds the all time record for both the Derby and the Preakness, too.


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  • MooseDogMooseDog Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They were both prolific. Secretariat was a bust at stud. >>



    Sorry but I have to post here what I just posted in the Ky Derby Ticket thread...

    That's such a common statement but it's a myth. While it's true Secretariat never sired a Triple Crown winner, his bloodline has had, and still has, an impact on the breed. Over time, Secretariat came to be known as a great sire of broodmares, some of whom produced winners of the world's great races including the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont, Travers Stakes, Epsom Derby and Melbourne Cup. And, he certainly was a cash machine for Claiborne Farms far in excess of his $6M syndication price. Any breeder would be happy to have a stallion with these credentials - Some of Big Red's finest produce:

    Champions
    Lady's Secret - 1986 Horse of the Year; 1986 Older Female Champion, and more...
    General Assembly - 2nd in the 1979 Kentucky Derby won by the all-time GREAT Spectacular Bid; Won the 1979 Travers
    Risen Star - 1988 Preakness and Belmont winner and somewhat successful stallion
    Kingston Rule - 1990 Melbourne Cup winner
    Tinner's Way - from his last crop won the $1M Pacific Classic is successive years 1994 and 1995

    Prolific Daughters (Broodmares)
    Weekend Surprise - dam of 1992 Horse of the Year and super sire AP Indy (who at one time commanded $150,000 per "service") AND 1992 Preakness winner Summer Squall
    Terlingua - dam of one of greatest sires of all-time, Storm Cat, whose stud fee hit $500,000 for a time before the 2008 financial crash.
    Secrettame - dame of Gone West, one of the most prolific and successful sires in the 1990s.

    In all he sired 24 Grade 1/Group 1 winners, which by any standards is a success at stud.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    Well, Secretariat was Sportsman of the Year in 1973. image >>



    If anyone has the time, youtube secretariat - Belmont stakes. He wins by 25 lengths. >>



    Here it is. He actually won by 31 lengths.

    1973 Belmont Stakes


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've always thought this passage about Secretariat to be rather fascinating~the greatest horse in racing history and holder of the all time record for fastest time in all three Triple Cown races. From Wikipedia:

    A necropsy revealed his heart was significantly larger than that of an ordinary horse.[37] An extremely large heart is a trait that occasionally occurs in Thoroughbreds, linked to a genetic condition passed down via the dam line, known as the "x-factor".[37][39][40][41] The x-factor can be traced to the historic racehorse Eclipse, which was necropsied after his death in 1789. Because Eclipse's heart appeared to be much larger than other horses, it was weighed, and found to be 14 pounds (6.4 kg), almost twice the normal weight. Eclipse is believed to have passed the trait on via his daughters, and pedigree research verified that Secretariat traces in his dam line to a daughter of Eclipse.[37] In the 20th century, the heart of Phar Lap was weighed and also documented to be 6.35 kilograms (14.0 lb),[42] or essentially the same size as that of Eclipse.

    At the time of Secretariat's death, the veterinarian who performed the necropsy, Dr. Thomas Swerczek, head pathologist at the University of Kentucky, did not weigh Secretariat's heart, but stated, "We just stood there in stunned silence. We couldn't believe it. The heart was perfect. There were no problems with it. It was just this huge engine."[38] Later, Swerczek also performed a necropsy on Sham, who died in 1993. Swerczek did weigh Sham's heart, and it was 18 pounds (8.2 kg). Based on Sham's measurement, and having necropsied both horses, he estimated Secretariat's heart probably weighed 22 pounds (10.0 kg),[37] or about two-and-three-quarters times as large as that of the average horse.


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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Re:Secretariat. And as all the greats do, they eventually do lose once in a while. After the TC he did lose to a horse named "Onion" at Saratoga in the summer of 1973.Forgot to mention "Onions" trainer. The HOF known as the "Giant Killer",H.Allen Jerkins.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to published reports AP's impact on the sport of kings may be shortlived outside of this year. There is a greater chance than not he will be retired after this years Breeders Cup races. He may have 1-2 prep races before the BC. Saratoga fans may not see him race in that meets premier race "The Travers",a million $+ race. AP could always show up at Sara. in a appearance capacity,parade in front of the crowd. Baffert is leaning toward the Haskell in NJ. A race that trainer has won 5x, and by recent tradition Baffert prefers this route. He is winless in the Travers with his charges. And the folks in NJ sweeten the pot for 3 yr. old stars w/ additional appearance fees. So we must enjoy his remaining races this year. He is worth far more at stud and the rights have been sold starting next year. His fees will be in the neighborhood of $150,000.00 per session. All concerned must hope no tragedy befalls AP on the racetrack racing for relative small purses against what he will command in the breeding shed. Unfortunatly this is one aspect that is wrong with horse racing getting/maintaining interest. A star is born then quickly fades from view,shipped off to the breeding shed. $ wise it makes sense,but not to the fanbase the industry is trying so hard to attract/ cultivate/hang onto.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would think that they may try to go for the first "The Quadruple Crown" and run in the Breeder's Cup this fall. AP has already proven all he needs to prove and like Secretariat will be retired at the age of 3, but it would be nice to see him capture the Breeder's Cup also, which didn't exist last time there was a TC winner.

    Speaking of Secretariat, he is also the great-great-great grandsire of AP.


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  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    Interesting comparison of Triple Crown winners after retirement

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