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Interesting… holder without insert

2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
thoughts on this? Interesting novelty, legitimacy? Valuation?

PCGS w/o insert
WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting.

    No precedent for this.

    If original, not cracked and repaired . . . an interesting mechanical error. The coin is quite standard.

    Fun piece!

    Drunner
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe...
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really dislike lazy, sloppy, sellers:

    From their listing:

    Buy with confidence from a PCGS authorized dealer.
    A PCGS authorized dealer, I would think, would have had the coin insert issue taken care of upon receipt, if it came straight to them.

    Grade and authenticity guaranteed by PCGS.
    Yeah, but not in this case as there is no grade or insert to base this off of.


    You can verify any PCGS coin by certification number at their website.

    Yeah, you can....too bad you can't do it for this one.


    Clean up the listing. Stop the stock listing when it doesn't matter for the actual listing. Just lazy. Sloppy.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was once offered both halves of a clean PCGS shell at a show by a respected forum member, so they are out there.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps the grade received did not justify the trouble

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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt the slab came that way from PCGS. I know many mechanical errors exist (although the number is quite small given the 30 million coins PCGS has certified), but I just can't see that getting past the finalizers. Much more likely is that the slab wasn't sonically sealed properly and the label either slid out or was taken out. Whoever submitted that coin to PCGS knows the answer and would certainly know the certification number and grade the coin was supposed to receive as it would appear in their order history.

  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    Perhaps the grade received did not justify the trouble <<<< a plausible scenario, personally, I wouldn't spend $10 to reholder an $8 coin if I expected it to sell for more as an error.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    I would love to have the opportunity to inspect the holder.

    If this is truly a PCGS mechanical error, it's the coolest one I've seen... image

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭✭
    would it sticker?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find that 'error' hard to believe... holder would likely reveal tampering...seems more like a sales gimmick. Cheers, RickO
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,613 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>would it sticker? >>



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  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    Holder in hand. No signs of funny business.
    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Full Steps?
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Seller should have maybe mentioned it on this message board and then put it up for sale image
  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    update…

    the holder is intact, untampered with.

    got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

    they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

    what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

    I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process.
    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,059 ✭✭✭✭✭
    first time i see something like that. bet ya wont see to many more of them image
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    This being legit opens up Pandora's box the size of the Grand Canyon. The implications are too numerous to list...

    image
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What would I do?
    I would be respectful to our host for an obvious (and very rare) misstep on their account, and return the item so they might remedy this.
    I would NOT attempt to profit from it.

    Working in health care has taught me that errors occur EVERYWHERE- though rare.
    Even under the most high tech and precise situations.
    Cut them some slack.

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  • OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    PCGS isnt perfect guys. My last submission had several errors in it. Mislabeling spouses, grading ms when it was a proof coin, misplacing 20 coins for a day or so etc. They did take care of it like a first class company though. I can easily see this being legit.
    Gold is for savings. Fiat is for transactions.



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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,510 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>update…

    the holder is intact, untampered with.

    got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

    they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

    what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

    I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



    some people love slab errors. If you are one of them, maybe you keep it. Otherwise, I'm sure a negotiation with PCGS would provide a win-win result.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the idea of a lifetime amount of free grading coupons! LOL
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe... >>



    isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe... >>



    isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
    . >>



    Melt is nearly $34/roll.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would go along with PCGS's request. I like karma. (I always give the overpayment back to the blackjack dealer, too.)
    Lance.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would have bought it for the discussion amongst fellow collectors...then sent it back for proper reclamation.
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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>update…

    the holder is intact, untampered with.

    got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

    they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

    what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

    I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    super economy submission, doesn't include labels.
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I think it is very cool, I agree with Lance and Karma. I'd send it back to PCGS.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would send it back.... PCGS will make it right.... It is just a process anomaly. Cheers, RickO
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>update…

    the holder is intact, untampered with.

    got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

    they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

    what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

    I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>

    That's cool! For $15....getting some grading vouchers or whatever you negotiate sounds like a good deal.

    As ms70 said, "Lifetime Free True Views." That's a good one. image

    I would say 6 Grading Vouchers would cover it...the slab is certainly worth more than $100 to an Uber Slab Collector!
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Mechanical Error, but a cool one.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    It's a magicians slab.
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>update…

    the holder is intact, untampered with.

    got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

    they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

    what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

    I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



    I'm aware of 3-4 guys at the top of the Jefferson nickel series who thrive for high quality coins and than, there a couple of others who are bent on sitting on bad coins and for quite some time now. Heaven knows what they plan on doing with them? They're certainly not building a great collection. But one guy bought from me a 4 digit coin when he already had one at the same grade and another was 5 figures when he already was enjoying a comfortable lead. Maintaining the integrity of this hobby is extremely important.

    But for the missing label, I thought there was a finalizer who would inspect the coin, making sure the coin meets the grade on the label but.........what label?



    Leo


    To add; a mechanical error yes but maybe the guy was in training, learning on how to operate the machine..............practice makes perfect. image

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  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    updated...


    image

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    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess this means that you still have not made up your mind?
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 2ltdjorn
    Holder in hand. No signs of funny business.


    The obverse looks like a DDO - can you check it?


    whomever submitted this, knows what the cert number should be and what the coin graded.

    I am surprised they sold it for less than cost of grading - or do authorized ealers have much lower costs than collectors club members?
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: VanHalen
    I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe...


    isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
    .


    Melt is nearly $34/roll.


    BU roll for 44-P is $515 so close to $13/coin
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, but I'd keep it. My numismatic interest is the history of and evolution of the slabs themselves. This is a piece of that history.
    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    What are pick up points for ddo
    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    doubling of the serifs on outside letters and star

    http://varietyvista.com/Variet...20dies%201944-1945.htm
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Yes, I would return it. I would also return 1933 Double Eagles.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With PCGS's integrity on the line, although it's just one coin.......not complying to their wishes.......would this be a serious enough offense to get banned from the forums? image Disclaimer; I could care less but only wanted to add some thought-provocative thinking to the thread. image Are you inside or on the outside of this community's circle of trust? image



    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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