Interesting… holder without insert

2ltdjorn

thoughts on this? Interesting novelty, legitimacy? Valuation?

PCGS w/o insert

lkeigwin

Fixed link.
Lance.

DRUNNER

Interesting.

No precedent for this.

If original, not cracked and repaired . . . an interesting mechanical error. The coin is quite standard.

Fun piece!

Drunner

Rampage

I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe...

Bochiman

I really dislike lazy, sloppy, sellers:

From their listing:

Buy with confidence from a PCGS authorized dealer.
A PCGS authorized dealer, I would think, would have had the coin insert issue taken care of upon receipt, if it came straight to them.

Grade and authenticity guaranteed by PCGS.
Yeah, but not in this case as there is no grade or insert to base this off of.


You can verify any PCGS coin by certification number at their website.

Yeah, you can....too bad you can't do it for this one.


Clean up the listing. Stop the stock listing when it doesn't matter for the actual listing. Just lazy. Sloppy.

keets

I was once offered both halves of a clean PCGS shell at a show by a respected forum member, so they are out there.

MsMorrisine

Perhaps the grade received did not justify the trouble

illini420

I doubt the slab came that way from PCGS. I know many mechanical errors exist (although the number is quite small given the 30 million coins PCGS has certified), but I just can't see that getting past the finalizers. Much more likely is that the slab wasn't sonically sealed properly and the label either slid out or was taken out. Whoever submitted that coin to PCGS knows the answer and would certainly know the certification number and grade the coin was supposed to receive as it would appear in their order history.

ebaybuyer

Perhaps the grade received did not justify the trouble <<<< a plausible scenario, personally, I wouldn't spend $10 to reholder an $8 coin if I expected it to sell for more as an error.

CoinZip

I would love to have the opportunity to inspect the holder.

If this is truly a PCGS mechanical error, it's the coolest one I've seen...

savoyspecial

would it sticker?

ricko

I find that 'error' hard to believe... holder would likely reveal tampering...seems more like a sales gimmick. Cheers, RickO

asheland

<< <i>would it sticker? >>

2ltdjorn

Holder in hand. No signs of funny business.

MsMorrisine

Full Steps?

mrearlygold

Seller should have maybe mentioned it on this message board and then put it up for sale

2ltdjorn

update…

the holder is intact, untampered with.

got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process.

johnny9434

first time i see something like that. bet ya wont see to many more of them

mercurydimeguy

This being legit opens up Pandora's box the size of the Grand Canyon. The implications are too numerous to list...

nwcoast

What would I do?
I would be respectful to our host for an obvious (and very rare) misstep on their account, and return the item so they might remedy this.
I would NOT attempt to profit from it.

Working in health care has taught me that errors occur EVERYWHERE- though rare.
Even under the most high tech and precise situations.
Cut them some slack.

OperationButter

PCGS isnt perfect guys. My last submission had several errors in it. Mislabeling spouses, grading ms when it was a proof coin, misplacing 20 coins for a day or so etc. They did take care of it like a first class company though. I can easily see this being legit.

Barndog

<< <i>update…

the holder is intact, untampered with.

got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



some people love slab errors. If you are one of them, maybe you keep it. Otherwise, I'm sure a negotiation with PCGS would provide a win-win result.

oreville

I like the idea of a lifetime amount of free grading coupons! LOL

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe... >>



isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
.

VanHalen

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<< <i>I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe... >>



isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
. >>



Melt is nearly $34/roll.

lkeigwin

I would go along with PCGS's request. I like karma. (I always give the overpayment back to the blackjack dealer, too.)
Lance.

oih82w8

I would have bought it for the discussion amongst fellow collectors...then sent it back for proper reclamation.

ms70

<< <i>update…

the holder is intact, untampered with.

got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



Life time free TruViews.

derryb

super economy submission, doesn't include labels.

Meltdown

While I think it is very cool, I agree with Lance and Karma. I'd send it back to PCGS.

ricko

I would send it back.... PCGS will make it right.... It is just a process anomaly. Cheers, RickO

keyman64

<< <i>update…

the holder is intact, untampered with.

got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>

That's cool! For $15....getting some grading vouchers or whatever you negotiate sounds like a good deal.

As ms70 said, "Lifetime Free True Views." That's a good one.

I would say 6 Grading Vouchers would cover it...the slab is certainly worth more than $100 to an Uber Slab Collector!

TopographicOceans

Mechanical Error, but a cool one.

WoodenJefferson

It's a magicians slab.

leothelyon

<< <i>update…

the holder is intact, untampered with.

got a phone call from a rep at pcgs on my cell phone in regards to this item. they would like to have the item returned, and will credit me some grading vouchers, etc.

they said it is to protect the integrity of the company.

what would you do? return it to pcgs or hold on to it….

I have no interest in the coin, just the error in the slabbing process. >>



I'm aware of 3-4 guys at the top of the Jefferson nickel series who thrive for high quality coins and than, there a couple of others who are bent on sitting on bad coins and for quite some time now. Heaven knows what they plan on doing with them? They're certainly not building a great collection. But one guy bought from me a 4 digit coin when he already had one at the same grade and another was 5 figures when he already was enjoying a comfortable lead. Maintaining the integrity of this hobby is extremely important.

But for the missing label, I thought there was a finalizer who would inspect the coin, making sure the coin meets the grade on the label but.........what label?



Leo


To add; a mechanical error yes but maybe the guy was in training, learning on how to operate the machine..............practice makes perfect.

2ltdjorn

updated...

oih82w8

I guess this means that you still have not made up your mind?

davewesen

Originally posted by: 2ltdjorn
Holder in hand. No signs of funny business.

The obverse looks like a DDO - can you check it?


whomever submitted this, knows what the cert number should be and what the coin graded.

I am surprised they sold it for less than cost of grading - or do authorized ealers have much lower costs than collectors club members?

davewesen

Originally posted by: VanHalen

I have to believe the holder was tampered with. Either way, the coin inside is worth no more than $5.00 maybe...

isnt roll bid on the 44p nearly $13?
.

Melt is nearly $34/roll.

BU roll for 44-P is $515 so close to $13/coin

BStrauss3

Sorry, but I'd keep it. My numismatic interest is the history of and evolution of the slabs themselves. This is a piece of that history.

2ltdjorn

What are pick up points for ddo

davewesen

doubling of the serifs on outside letters and star

http://varietyvista.com/Variet...20dies%201944-1945.htm

au58

Yes, I would return it. I would also return 1933 Double Eagles.

leothelyon

With PCGS's integrity on the line, although it's just one coin.......not complying to their wishes.......would this be a serious enough offense to get banned from the forums? Disclaimer; I could care less but only wanted to add some thought-provocative thinking to the thread. Are you inside or on the outside of this community's circle of trust?



Leo