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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There were more than a few memorable events in that year.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a couple

    That one won't make PO01, but it's real close.
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  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭
    There are a couple

    That one won't make PO01, but it's real close.


    I am aware of only one PCGS PO01 40% silver Kennedy for the whole series. It is a '68-D.
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That half probably would grade AG

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That half probably would grade AG >>



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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Brian, that's very nice of you. It'll go into my low ball 7070 album.

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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    wow PQ for the gradeimage
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  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭
    My 68-D is a FR02 and its more worn than the pictured coin. Would love to see the PO01 68-D......
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  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent in a severely worn Lincoln cent into PCGS in a group as a PO 1 shot coin. Came back questionable authenticity/ not authentic or something. It's clearly a real early date Lincoln. Does the lack of meat make it to hard to tell? It makes me wonder just how interested PCGS is at supporting this lowball craze and using that reason as an out.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Graders at TPG probably get real tired of looking at coins like the OP's (rock tumbled?) '69 Kennedy.On the other hand,it's business.

    $30 grading fee for one coin will get one a number of these for the junk silver accumulation,maybe 10 or so.

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  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt if this is a rock tumbled coin. People carry certain coins because they have a special meaning to them. This coin is 45 years old. If it had been in a pocket for even 30 of those years it would look like this.
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭
    There is a fine line between an FR02 and no grade due to insufficient detail to determine the date and mintmark, or lack of a mintmark. In addition, there are a host of reasons a well worn coin will not grade even if it has PO01 details. Examples of common problems that exclude a grade include: scratches, rim dings, wrong color, etc. Basically, the same types of things that lead to Genuine holders for other grades. And if someone tries to artificially wear the coin, the surfaces won't look right, and the color will be off as well.

    Edited to add recent article on PO01's in Numismatic News: NN Article
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not me. dont care for the series
  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭
    That is an attractive lowball. Agree that she looks AG.
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    No, ONLY ROOSIE'S.image
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭
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  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭
    Wow, my 68-d FR02 is really really close to the PO01 Foodude pictured. Sadly, I don't have the ability to display it here.....but I'm happy to send someone the JPG if they can focus. PM me w an email address and I'll send. You can also see it in my pocketpiece set but image is small and its a pain to have to navigate there versus seeing images "side by side".
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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I should be able to get some big money for the 1917 Walker Half I found in the local park with my metal detector.It's worn to AG so if I give it a few spins in my rock tumbler ( used to clean clad coins and nickels found in the ground so that they can be spent somewhere other than the self-checkout at Walmart),I should be able to get her to poor condition.Of course,the coin's history as a pocket piece would be forever destroyed by the rock tumbler but is there any duty to report what i have done to anyone when comes time to cash in?A quality tumbler aint cheap you know.

    Seriously,how can you enthusiasts of slicker coins aka lowballs be certain the coin has not been worn artificially? You all wouldn't want to see me as a grader for TPG.Right or wrong,no matter.I would probably "Genuine-rock tumbled" just about every slicker I see rather than lose sleep because I'm unsure about my lowball grading abilities.

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  • InYHWHWeTrustInYHWHWeTrust Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I should be able to get some big money for the 1917 Walker Half I found in the local park with my metal detector.It's worn to AG so if I give it a few spins in my rock tumbler ( used to clean clad coins and nickels found in the ground so that they can be spent somewhere other than the self-checkout at Walmart),I should be able to get her to poor condition.Of course,the coin's history as a pocket piece would be forever destroyed by the rock tumbler but is there any duty to report what i have done to anyone when comes time to cash in?A quality tumbler aint cheap you know.

    Seriously,how can you enthusiasts of slicker coins aka lowballs be certain the coin has not been worn artificially? You all wouldn't want to see me as a grader for TPG.Right or wrong,no matter.I would probably "Genuine-rock tumbled" just about every slicker I see rather than lose sleep because I'm unsure about my lowball grading abilities. >>



    There is always one on every thread that says this, but in 10+ years here, NOT ONE has come back with to show their rock-tumbler results that would like anything like the OP's.
    PCGS has objective grading standards to go by (don't have the link, but easy to find), but for series that don't often seen pocketpiece action or circulation, it is a challenge for the graders. It tooks some work and decision making to render an educated (expert) opinion.

    If you don't 'get' the appeal of worn pieces with condition rarity and the 'look' that can't be artificially produced, so be it. Collect what you like, and please keep remarks to yourself.
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    I don't collect Kennedy's in low ball, but I do in some other series, and if I found the coin above, I'd put it in my Whitman or offer it to someone who does collect them, whiich I assume the OP is doing. Awesome, original coin, with lots of stories to tell!!

    Bob knows what he is talking about:


    << <i>I doubt if this is a rock tumbled coin. People carry certain coins because they have a special meaning to them. This coin is 45 years old. If it had been in a pocket for even 30 of those years it would look like this. >>



    braddick used to be a wealth of information as well.

    OK mang, the challenge is now upon you to get your Rock Tumbler and have at it. We know what they look like -- scratched up and shiny, still thick, no thin as in naturally, slowly worn coins, esp. silver.

    /thread
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There is always one on every thread that says this, but in 10+ years here, NOT ONE has come back with to show their rock-tumbler results that would like anything like the OP's.
    PCGS has objective grading standards to go by (don't have the link, but easy to find), but for series that don't often seen pocketpiece action or circulation, it is a challenge for the graders. It tooks some work and decision making to render an educated (expert) opinion.
    braddick used to be a wealth of information as well.
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    This. I remember Braddick challenging the forum to produce a PO1 Ike Dollar which he would pay $1,500 for. I don't think one ever got made. I suspect that Kennedy got worn from being a pocket piece -- that seems to be the only effective way to wear a modern coin down to AG3 or below -- which can take years!

    As far as graders being "sick" of these -- I suspect it is just the opposite! They probably get a kick out of grading these and think they are as much fun as the lowball collectors think they are!
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭
    remember Braddick challenging the forum to produce a PO1 Ike Dollar which he would pay $1,500 for

    I saw a clad Ike that would have graded PO01 but for scratches ... so frustrating ...
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  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Those halves have been around the block a time or three.

    I can imagine that a lowball set of Kennedys would be very tough to complete.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image



    There were more than a few memorable events in that year.

    A few; Neil Armstrong walking on the moon, my wedding,...

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    Cool wedding picture! Which one of those guys is you? The bride looks rather elderly. But hey, you got married on Abbey Road, which is neat. image

    At the end of 1969, I celebrated my fourth birthday.

    PS- that is a cool Kennedy "smoothie" , BHB.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,995 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the Kennedy short set: the 1970-D would be the show stopper. Can't locate one worse (better?) than AU. The 1964-D is surprisingly difficult too. The only two I need now to complete this set...

    The 1968 pictured above has a strong PO1 reverse although the obverse is closer to FA/AG than PO overall.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Instead of a rock tumbler, a vibratory case cleaner (used in reloading ammunition), with the proper medium, would produce these coins nicely, in a reasonable amount of time...without the harshness of a tumbler. Cheers, RickO

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